Entering into the Kingdom w/o water Baptism

[dtealer]

Do you have to be baptized by water after you commit what is said in Romans chapter 10 verse 9. I am not understanding John chapter 3 verse 5 or Philip baptizing the Ethiopian Eunuch. As well as Acts chapter 11 verse 44-48.

[Hootmon]

Do you have to be baptized by water after you commit what is said in Romans chapter 10 verse 9. I am not understanding John chapter 3 verse 5 or Philip baptizing the Ethiopian Eunuch. As well as Acts chapter 11 verse 44-48.Romans and John are talking about two different dispensations, with Acts being the transition between the two.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
(Rom 10:4)

Everything changed when Christ died and rose again...

[Clouds]

Romans and John are talking about two different dispensations, with Acts being the transition between the two.

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
(Rom 10:4)

Everything changed when Christ died and rose again...

I agree with this.

It is still a proper act of righteousness to obey Jesus' command to get baptized, although the effect of that baptism has nothing to do with actually saving the already saved person. It is a righteous work of gratitude and a declaration of our identification with our Redeemer.

[blitzkreig]

You are correct in saying that it is a form of "identification".

A statement in effect ... because the baptism which counts you were given by the Holy Spirit ... and not into water but into the Body of Christ.

The ritual is so often confused with the "real thing" ...

Whole demoninations can't read the Scripture and not see water. Water water everywhere ... And that is why there is always so much fighting about baptism.

Paul eventually put a stop to it by saying ...

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

One.

He went on later to say ...

Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
(1Co 1:13-18)

Some say "baptism is a command" ... well it was ... to the Apostles ... and even then it was all wrapped up in the Israel program before Israel was dispensationally and formally sidelined in favour of the Gentiles and Jews without distinction ...

If it were a "command" then it didn't even carry through to Paul ... the Apostle to the Gentiles.

So I think it is just great to get wet as an opportunity to witness and to identify with ... a statement!

But as you have said yourself ... it hasn't a thing to do with Salvation. That is a done deal which was sealed by the real baptism.

:runhills

[Christopher Clemons]

Some say "baptism is a command" ... well it was ... to the Apostles ... and even then it was all wrapped up in the Israel program before Israel was dispensationally and formally sidelined in favour of the Gentiles and Jews without distinction ...

If it were a "command" then it didn't even carry through to Paul ... the Apostle to the Gentiles.

So I think it is just great to get wet as an opportunity to witness and to identify with ... a statement!

But as you have said yourself ... it hasn't a thing to do with Salvation. That is a done deal which was sealed by the real baptism.

:runhills


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I gave my heart to Christ at the age of 5, right at the very dawn of realizing the world around me, in a fundamental baptist church none the less. But I went another 22 years before actually being dunked in the water just a couple of months ago. Never once did I believe that my salvation hinged on being drenched, and I didn't feel some supernatural thing happen to me when I finally did get baptized, but I will say it was an honor and a privilege to publicly demonstrate my belief in Christ as my savior in front of many people. :yeah