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dtealer
June 1st, 2007, 09:14 AM
Was Adam & Eve anointed with the Holy Spirit while in the garden. Was there true love for God before the fall? Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil? Is evil needed in the world?
tom_roberts
June 1st, 2007, 10:04 AM
''Was Adam & Eve anointed with the Holy Spirit while in the garden. Was there true love for God before the fall? Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil? Is evil needed in the world?''
anointed with the Holy Spirit ? scripture does not say that to my understanding, they witnessed the living God thats for sure
but I am not an expert so I dunno, to my best understanding scripture does not mention this but it might be so, just scripture does not speak of this
imho
Was there true love for God before the fall?
My opinion---you bet cha
Imagine Adam alone and then he wakes up to a women, not just any women
1 made by God--I bet he flipped his lid and went head over heals
Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evilone
Yup , scripture tells Us Adam was very pleased and named her Eve
Is evil needed in the world?''
Nope no one needs it, it here because of the fall of man and Satan and his
stupid self but not for to much longer i pray
Ryan
June 1st, 2007, 11:23 AM
Was Adam & Eve anointed with the Holy Spirit while in the garden. Was there true love for God before the fall? Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil? Is evil needed in the world?
These are very interesting questions. The scripture says that God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. But it does not say that the man was anointed with the Holy Spirit. So it would seem me to be pure speculation, if the scripture does not state that Adam was anointed with the Holy Spirit. We do know that there was not a help mate found for Adam. This would seem to indicate that Adam would be lonely. Scripture does not tell us how long Adam was without a help mate. When God created Eve It would seem that there was a true love for Eve, because in the temptation Adam was not deceived and he chose Eve over God.
Is evil needed in the world? The answer of this question would seem to be far above our understanding. God could have locked Satan when his rebellion occured but He chose not to and it is for sure that God allowed Satan to enter the Garden, because Satan can not do anything without God's approval, we see that in the book of Job. In Isaiah 55:8-9 we read " For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,saith th Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." God has allowed evil to come into this world and He is still allowing until the time when He will finally cast Satan Revelation 20:10. God did not tell Job the reason for his suffering, God gave Job 40 questions showing Job that he is not capabale understanding the creation, controling nature, the feeding and reproduction of animals. So if God tried to explain the why of his suffering he would understand. What God said to Job and to us is just trust Me I know what I am doing and it is right.
Saved by Grace_06
June 1st, 2007, 11:47 AM
Was Adam & Eve anointed with the Holy Spirit while in the garden. Was there true love for God before the fall? Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil? Is evil needed in the world?
These are great philosophical questions, I think. I'm going to make a guess and say that they did love God. Still however, after thinking about your question, namely, "can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil?" I don't really know the answer.
Whoa...good question!
romans224
June 1st, 2007, 12:49 PM
Was Adam & Eve anointed with the Holy Spirit while in the garden. Was there true love for God before the fall? Can there be free will love without knowledge of good and evil? Is evil needed in the world?
Innocence and Salvation are two distinct things. Innocence was in the world before the fall of man. How could man disobey if he doesn't even know what it is? That's also why many believe children who die before a certain age of accountability will be with the Lord because of their innocence. So really I see that knowledge=free will but at a cost of death.
So no Adam and Eve were not anointed by the HS by rather were one with God until the fall.
The love for God is more of a trick ? the best example I could use is this: a dog obey his master yet sometimes makes mistakes, however the dog does not know right from worn and the master has to show them. We didn't know right from wrong until our eyes were open when Eve and Adam took the 1st bite.
knowledge=free will so I don't belive you can have free will love w/o knowledge.
And lastly evil is and is not needed. God could work with or without it!
These are just IMHO. Thanks!!
LaMontre
June 1st, 2007, 03:11 PM
Adam and Eve had knowledge of many things. The taking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was, for them, to become moral agents independent of God. The only morality imposed upon them by God was the two trees. However, I think we can see, that the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life were very much alive and well before they actually disobeyed God.
Did they love God? Well, they certainly feared him both before and after the fall. I am certain they had great admiration for Him as well, both before and after. It would seem to me that what the OP is asking is, were they "saved" or "born again"?
That is a question not answered, but I think most of the biblical writers kind of took it as a given. I mean, was Abel, or Enoch filled with the Spirit, was Noah?? I think they all fall into this category;
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
They were here;
Luk 16:23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things: but now here he is comforted, and thou art in anguish.
Luk 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that they that would pass from hence to you may not be able, and that none may cross over from thence to us.
And eventually heard the gospel preached by Jesus himself;
1Pe 4:6 For unto this end was the gospel preached even to the dead, that they might be judged indeed according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
RefinedbyFire
June 2nd, 2007, 02:50 AM
Assuming you are talking about before "The Fall": I think they originally must have, as that is the perfect state into which we are going to be restored.
LaMontre
June 3rd, 2007, 03:57 PM
Assuming you are talking about before "The Fall": I think they originally must have, as that is the perfect state into which we are going to be restored.
Well, the new creation is going to be better than even the creation prior to the fall, because it is to be heaven on earth. The garden of Eden, as awsome as I am sure it was, wasn't that.
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