Sabbath vs Sunday- The Battle Continues

[I'm all 67X]

'Deception': Christians war over worship day-
Centuries-old clash continues over disputed commandment

On and on it goes, an interesting read.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57978

[iSong6:3]

'Deception': Christians war over worship day-
Centuries-old clash continues over disputed commandment

On and on it goes, an interesting read.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57978

We know that cultists will always be at variance with the Word of God. I'm concerned that the more immature in the faith will think that since the quotes of the cultists are given *equal time* with Christians, that their *arguments* are equally valid...

This board has a stance on Sabbatarianism and these things have been argued many times since even I've been here.

[blitzkreig]

Now now. Let's be fair. About 99.99% of Christians believe that Sunday IS the Sabbath day.

:twitch

[iSong6:3]

For anyone to insist on either Saturday or Sunday dogmatically and as a law, contradicts Col 2:16-17, as well as the full counsel of the NT. That's all I'm saying. :hat

[A Berean's Wife]

Now now. Let's be fair. About 99.99% of Christians believe that Sunday IS the Sabbath day.

:twitch

:hat
The "Sabbath Day"is for the Covenant between the nation of Israel and Yahweh, and is the seventh day of the Jewish week, ie SATURDAY(observed from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown).

The "Lord's day" is "traditionally observed" on SUNDAY, the day that Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave, and is for the Christians and those Jews who have become Christians, and is a part of the New Covenant between Jesus Christ and His Bride. In actuality, ANY and EVERY day of the week can/should/might be "The Lord's day" for the Bride, because it is that time she sets aside to feed on God's Holy Word, spend quality time with Him in prayer, and that time she is enjoying the intimate relationship between her and her Lord, Savior, and King, Jesus Christ.

Sabbath and the the Lord's day do not mix, because the Law and the Grace of God are never mixed, no more than oil and water can remain mixed. The oil will always rise to the TOP, and the water will always remain on the bottem, because these two substances WILL ALWAYS SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER, as God has forever ordained :preach.

The Old Covenant and the New Covenant can never remain together, because Jesus Christ FULFILLED every requirement of the Old Covenant, He was able to bring in the New Covenant, whereby ALL who believed upon Him might be SAVED by His Atonement on the Cross as the PERFECT SACRIFICIAL LAMB of GOD:candle:yeah.

Law and Grace never mix! In Christ, there is neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile, and no one can serve both the Old and New Covenants at the same time.

[BrckBrln]

Sabbath and the the Lord's day do not mix, because the Law and the Grace of God are never mixed, no more than oil and water can remain mixed. The oil will always rise to the TOP, and the water will always remain on the bottem, because these two substances WILL ALWAYS SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER, as God has forever ordained :preach

But surely we must draw a definite and broad line between the Law and the Gospel. It is at this point that the Dispensationalist considers his position to be the strongest and most unassailable; yet nowhere else does he more display his ignorance, for he neither recognizes the grace of God abounding during the Mosaic era, nor can he see that Law has any rightful place in this Christian age. Law and grace are to him antagonistic elements, and (to quote one of his favorite slogans) "will no more mix than will oil and water." Not a few of those who are now regarded as the champions of orthodoxy tell their hearers that the principles of law and grace are such contrary elements that where the one be in exercise the other must necessarily be excluded. But this is a very serious error. How could the Law of God and the Gospel of the grace of God conflict? The one exhibits Him as "light," the other manifest Him as "love" (1 John 1:5; 4:8), and both are necessary in order fully to reveal His perfections: if either one be omitted only a one-sided concept of His character will be formed. The one makes known His righteousness, the other displays His mercy, and His wisdom has shown the perfect consistency there is between them.

Instead of law and grace being contradictory, they are complementary. Both of them appeared in Eden before the Fall. What was it but grace which made a grant unto our first parents: "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat"? And it was law which said, "But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it." Both of them are seen at the time of the great deluge, for we are told that "Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" (Gen. 6:8), as His subsequent dealings with him clearly demonstrated; while His righteousness brought in a flood upon the world of the ungodly. Both of them operated side by side at Sinai, for while the majesty and righteousness of Jehovah were expressed in the Decalogue, His mercy and grace were plainly evinced in the provisions He made in the whole Levitical system (with its priesthood and sacrifices) for the putting away of their sins. Both shone forth in their meridian glory at Calvary, for whereas on the one hand the abounding grace of God appeared in giving His own dear Son to be the Saviour of sinners, His justice called for the curse of the Law to be inflicted upon Him while bearing their guilt.

So far from law and grace being enemies, they are mutual handmaids: the former reveals the sinner’s need, the latter supplies it; the one makes known God’s requirements, the other enables us to meet them. Faith is not opposed to good works, but performs them in obedience to God out of love and gratitude. Arthur W. Pink

What do you think about this? And to be clear I'm not posting this to 'prove' you wrong or anything, I'm posting this so I can see the opposing argument so I can see both sides as all this is pretty new to me. :thumb

[run2Jesus]

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[A Berean's Wife]

But surely we must draw a definite and broad line between the Law and the Gospel. It is at this point that the Dispensationalist considers his position to be the strongest and most unassailable; yet nowhere else does he more display his ignorance, for he neither recognizes the grace of God abounding during the Mosaic era, nor can he see that Law has any rightful place in this Christian age. Law and grace are to him antagonistic elements, and (to quote one of his favorite slogans) "will no more mix than will oil and water." Not a few of those who are now regarded as the champions of orthodoxy tell their hearers that the principles of law and grace are such contrary elements that where the one be in exercise the other must necessarily be excluded. But this is a very serious error. How could the Law of God and the Gospel of the grace of God conflict? The one exhibits Him as "light," the other manifest Him as "love" (1 John 1:5; 4:8), and both are necessary in order fully to reveal His perfections: if either one be omitted only a one-sided concept of His character will be formed. The one makes known His righteousness, the other displays His mercy, and His wisdom has shown the perfect consistency there is between them.

Instead of law and grace being contradictory, they are complementary. Both of them appeared in Eden before the Fall. What was it but grace which made a grant unto our first parents: "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat"? And it was law which said, "But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it." Both of them are seen at the time of the great deluge, for we are told that "Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" (Gen. 6:8), as His subsequent dealings with him clearly demonstrated; while His righteousness brought in a flood upon the world of the ungodly. Both of them operated side by side at Sinai, for while the majesty and righteousness of Jehovah were expressed in the Decalogue, His mercy and grace were plainly evinced in the provisions He made in the whole Levitical system (with its priesthood and sacrifices) for the putting away of their sins. Both shone forth in their meridian glory at Calvary, for whereas on the one hand the abounding grace of God appeared in giving His own dear Son to be the Saviour of sinners, His justice called for the curse of the Law to be inflicted upon Him while bearing their guilt.

So far from law and grace being enemies, they are mutual handmaids: the former reveals the sinner’s need, the latter supplies it; the one makes known God’s requirements, the other enables us to meet them. Faith is not opposed to good works, but performs them in obedience to God out of love and gratitude. Arthur W. Pink

What do you think about this? And to be clear I'm not posting this to 'prove' you wrong or anything, I'm posting this so I can see the opposing argument so I can see both sides as all this is pretty new to me. :thumb

:wave Dear Brother, I do see your position, and I do understand what you are saying :nod.

Here are my own personal thoughts about "The Law" and "The Grace of God", which I have gleaned from my personal study of His Holy Word over a 30+ year span of time (hint at my actual age: "I cried when the dinosaurs died :heh)."

I agree with what A.W. Pink has said in the references you cite here. I am simply trying to see the WHOLE picture of what our Lord has done from the beginning to the end in His dealings with all mankind. It begins in the Book of Genesis, and it ends in the last (jot) period at the end of the last sentence of Revelation.

Matthew 5:1 " And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:


Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,


Mat 5:3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 5:4 Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.


Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.


Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.


Mat 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.


Mat 5:8 Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.


Mat 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Mat 5:13 ¶ Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.


Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.


Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.


Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


Mat 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 5:21 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:


Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;


Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.


Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.


Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.


Mat 5:27 ¶ Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:


Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.


Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.


Mat 5:31 ¶ It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:


Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Mat 5:33 ¶ Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:


Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:


Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.


Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.


Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.


Mat 5:38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:


Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.


Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.


Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.


Mat 5:43 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.


Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.


Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?


Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so?


Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. "

Brckbrn, I am so sorry, but something has come up that I need to go take care of here in my home :). I will come back to this post later when I have the time to do it justice :lol2 :kay? Be back later :wave.

[BelovedChild]

In one of Pauls letters, he wrote that if a believer wants to keep any one day special as honouring to the Lord, we are to respect that believer's right to do so.

If the believer wants to honour all days alike, the same principle applies. Therefore if someone wants to worship on Saturday it is their right to do so. If on Sunday or Wednesday the same applies.

Messianic Jews will worship on their traditional Sabbath. So will some others. Most will worship on Sundays. WHAT DOES IT REALLY MATTER AS LONG AS WE ARE HONOURING THE LORD.

I am looking forward to the day when I can worship with Messainic believers and follow the Jewish holidays. For me this will probably happen in the Millenial (?) Kingdom as there are no Jewish believers anywhere in my local area.

[run2Jesus]

For anyone to insist on either Saturday or Sunday dogmatically and as a law, contradicts Col 2:16-17, as well as the full counsel of the NT. That's all I'm saying. :hat

:thumb Any religion that takes it's eyes off the Cross and places more emphasis on the day of the week it keeps or the meat that it eats (or doesn't eat) better take a closer look a the gospel of Jesus Christ. He fulfilled the whole law. We are now under the law of liberty and though this liberty never grants us freedom to abuse God's bountiful mercies, it leaves us free to worship Him in spirit and in truth. You see, when a religion says you MUST do this or that, it leads to placing importance on our human contributions. Our contributions are as filthy rags the Bible says. What God demands God provides~~~that being said, Jesus Christ has paid our complete debt and nothing we can add or take away makes one iota of difference. We can worship Jesus any day and any where. When the Son shall make you free you are free indeed!!:yeah