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Jubilee21
April 8th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Seem's the potential for more to go wrong is not so far off when it comes a lot...

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Britain and Electricity

Posted By Carl from Chicago On April 5, 2008 @ 4:23 pm In Energy & Power Generation | 30 Comments

There is a looming electricity crisis that is about to overtake the United States. While our demand for electricity continues to increase due to construction, computers (data centers take up a significant portion of electricity demand), and potentially even electric cars, essentially no new “base load” supply of electrical generation is being added to the market. We do get the occasional wind farm or solar or geothermal source of energy, and a bit of conservation is on the rise, but these tiny dents in supply and demand, respectively, don’t even begin to cover growth much less the fact that many electricity plants are aging and will face retirement in the future. Due to the long lead times involved with getting a new plant on line (at LEAST 5-10 years in the case of large base load coal or nuclear plants, best case), our problem is that we aren’t doing anything NOW to head off the crisis LATER, when we won’t have any options at all.

Recently I was in London and I noted a similar situation was emerging in that country. Unlike the US, where conservation measures are still haphazard and sporadic, London seemed to have “smart” meters installed in many hotels (like I noted in Italy) and the entire culture embraces the “concept” at least of saving energy.

As in the US, however, the situation in Britain is going to be desperate soon. This graph from the April 5, 2008 issue of the Economist shows in a great, simple diagram how the declining use of coal and nuclear power is going to cause an energy crisis in Britain. Britain, like the US, has an ample supply of coal and can import much more from reliable allies like Australia, and has been a pioneer of nuclear power technology and is quite capable of building and operating these plants. While Britain does have North Sea natural gas available, the supply is declining and has other uses (industrial, heating) beyond power generation.

The problem is that the NIMBY crowd in England is even fiercer than those of the US; while the chances of building any nuclear or coal plants in the US will fade if the Democrats take the White House in November, even the most liberal US Democrat seems like Attila the Hun compared to anyone in Europe when it comes to greenhouse gases and pollution.

Even today power is short in particular in London; the situation will grow more dire as the years go by and localized plants are decommissioned; it is unimaginable that new sources of serious generation will be built anywhere near London or the left would go bonkers. The likeliest courses of action is that over time businesses that aren’t forced to be localized (retail, financial services) will bolt London for other parts of the country where the power situation isn’t so terrible. Local businesses will likely start to rely more and more heavily on backup power as the grid becomes more unreliable (on peak days it can fail overall, but it is more likely to just become less reliable over the years).

I don’t know how people can go on consuming electricity and products that require electricity and just pretend that adding new generation isn’t an option; while conservation is useful and perhaps even some localized elements like solar can help they aren’t sufficient for a serious, first world economy unless rotating blackouts a la Nigeria are viewed as OK. Of the options, nuclear emits the least greenhouse gases and new, modern coal plants are quite efficient and emit far less noxious compounds than their predecessors. While these 2 options clearly are not without flaws, they have to be part of the solution else reliability will just crater over time and inefficient local solutions will have to jump to the front.






In speaking to others about this problem and setting aside the debate about peak oil, the data strongly suggests this 'can of worms' is coming to bear and we will be feeling the impact along with other problems in the not so far off future..


Anther updated discussion of events..


http://www.aspo-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=349&Itemid=91

Peak Oil Review -- April 7th, 2008
Written by Tom Whipple
Monday, 07 April 2008

1. Prices, Production and Exports
2. Electricity Shortages and Diesel
3. Rice, Inflation and Oil
4. Massachusetts Hosts a Meeting
5. Energy Briefs

1. Prices, Production and Exports
It was another week of volatility for oil prices as a potpourri of fundamentals, financial crisis, hearings, unemployment and a looming recession drove oil prices one way and then another. After losing $4 a barrel on Monday as speculators closed positions, prices recovered on Wednesday after the EIA reported that US gasoline stockpiles had fallen by 4.5 million barrels the previous week, twice what analysts had expected. On Friday, prices rose again to close out the week at $106 a barrel after the report that US jobs had declined for the third straight month, confirming fears that the US was headed for a recession. This time oil prices rose on bad economic news in expectation that there will be more interest rate cuts, a weaker dollar, and a flight to safe assets such as oil.

US gasoline prices rose to a record $3.30 on Friday and most analysts believe they will continue rising. The EIA is holding that average gasoline prices will peak at $3.50 later this spring, but many are predicting a spike to the vacinity of $4 a gallon.

In the wake of the inconclusive attack on Basra, Shiite cleric al-Sadr is calling for a million-man demonstration against the US “occupation” on Wednesday, the 5th anniversary of the fall of Baghdad. Some fear the demonstration could set off events destabilizing the government. In the meantime Iraq is still exporting oil from Basra at slightly below pre-attack levels.

OPEC reports March shipments were down about 85,000 b/d from February due to extensive maintenance and other problems in Nigeria that cut exports there to the lowest in five years. Of more interest was the report that Russia failed to increase its oil production for the third month in a row and the first quarter production was down by one percent from a year earlier. Moscow, however, is still predicting that production will grow by 1.7 percent this year, well below the 11 percent increase in 2003. Russin pipeline exports to Europe recovered to 4.23 million b/d in March, but many believe the surge was in anticipation of forrthcoming export taxs and that Moscow’s exports will soon drop.

2. Electricity Shortages and Diesel
Stories of current and imminent shortages of electric power are becoming more frequent each day. A combination of inadequate rain for hydro power, unaffordable oil and coal for thermal power, and rapidly increasing demand is leaving country after country with inadequate power for national grids.

It is becoming apparent that one of the unforeseen consequences of globalization is that there is simply not enough power being produced in the world to run the flood of inexpensive electric consumer goods – TVs, kitchen appliances, air conditioners -- that are pouring from the factories of Asia onto the world.

The increasingly frequent “rolling blackouts” that are appearing around the world unfortunately are killing “essential” systems – water pumps, hospitals, banking computers, factories, TV stations, and telephone exchanges – as well as the less-essential consumer devices.

While electric companies may eventually be able to make special arrangements to exempt organizations that are vital to the economy from blackouts, there are massive numbers of organizations around the world that are completely dependent on electricity to keep functioning. For these, the choice is generate their own electricity with their own generators or shut down.

What is developing is a new and potentially very large demand for gasoline and particularly diesel fuel as the national power grids fall further and further behind in their ability to keep up with demand for electricity. Higher prices and shortages are clearly in store as more and more Chinese-made small and medium sized electric generators come into service around the world.

3. Rice, Inflation and Oil
Rice prices increased by 50 percent in the last two weeks to an all-time high as importing countries scrambled to hold off social unrest by securing supplies from the few exporters still willing to sell. As the staple food for 3 billion people, 33 countries are facing unrest as the price of food and energy becomes unaffordable.

There are multiple reasons behind the sudden price increase ranging from weather-related poor harvests, hoarding, and world-wide inflationary pressures resulting from high energy costs to the financial crisis. Major rice exporters such as India, China, and Vietnam have already curtailed or stopped exports to hold down domestic prices.

Among the hardest hit countries so far have been Bangladesh, the Philippines, and Pakistan where millions now face seriously restricted diets.

Even rich oil states are facing problems. Nigeria is one of the world’s largest importers of rice and Kuwait is now shut off from the Indian rice that is the staple food for most of the 1.3 million foreigners working in the country. Even the Saudis have removed the import duties on imported food. In Pakistan 80 million people are estimated to be at risk of not receiving sufficient food.

This situation is too complex to foresee future developments. If it gets worse, widespread food riots could topple governments. If millions are faced with starvation, pressure to stop production of biofuels will increase. Leverage of food exporting nations in world affairs will increase. (more)


Note: #5 of this article is interesting with regard to events transpiring around the world.





One thing these articles got me wondering about was the "what if's"..as in what if we see a huge policy change in all of the environmental laws because this becomes the next crisis, and in fact that is the goal down the road..

"What if"?...the powers that be foresaw the effect of the environmental policies ultimately being a disaster and putting the squeeze on the world food supplies, a created crisis where all of these powers and laws were passed during it to put the power brokers into position,and then...global warming was just a set up to get us to this situation and enable the domino's to be lined up so they would fall precisely the way they were intended..

( I know..a lot of what ifs..??? but it sure is interesting in how its being played out on almost a literal biblical level)

"What if?"..the end result is we turn around and become a major food producing nation and our food supplies become the leverage as in "corn won't grow in sand."

In effect it would put us in the proverbial 'catbird seat' but the thing is we wouldn't own any of this..it would have been transfered to the ones who set the ball in motion and why the markets and banks were manipulated as they were....

it was never about anything but "the oil and the wheat":twitch ='s food and energy and all the arrow's keep pointing to how 2008 was lined up as the year for all of these problems to hit the proverbial fan with a time frame of sorts of deadlines all the problems must be fixed becasue the fate of the world is at stake ( as in the urgent messages being scrolled over the headlines)..

Sure point's to getting closer to midnight and time for someone to show up and 'save the world" now doesn't it? Nor do I mean "Superman" either!!!

Maybe this is what we all are being deeply convicted of in our own ways..and can feel it in our souls as well as our bones?:candle

goinghome
April 8th, 2008, 07:38 PM
This is slightly off subject but being a refugee from the energy industry (20 years), I can tell you the bigger problem in short to mid term is infrastructure. Delivery of energy to most cities may as well be delivered by a wire hanger sticking into your basement, it's that primitive and way overloaded already. So even if you build coal plants or nuclear in order to produce it, delivery problems must be addressed. It's a "chicken or egg" problem.

run2Jesus
April 8th, 2008, 08:36 PM
This is slightly off subject but being a refugee from the energy industry (20 years), I can tell you the bigger problem in short to mid term is infrastructure. Delivery of energy to most cities may as well be delivered by a wire hanger sticking into your basement, it's that primitive and way overloaded already. So even if you build coal plants or nuclear in order to produce it, delivery problems must be addressed. It's a "chicken or egg" problem.

Every time we have a drastic weather related event and whole cities are without power, dh complains "Why can't they go underground with their electricity everywhere like they've done with the telephone?" I know some areas have the underground electric service but of course it's always done in the newer, more upscale areas. I also know laying underground electric cables would involve a whole lot more preparation than just coming along with a ditch-witch and dropping a telephone line. But, dh does have a point. With your experience in this field, how far out do you suppose all underground electric service is??:scratch

goinghome
April 8th, 2008, 10:20 PM
I've never sat in on any proposals do make a huge change like that, I'd guess it's pretty close to pie in the sky at this point. I think most cities would just be happy if utilities could figure out a way to replace transformers which should have been replaced years ago. Right now, most are operating on a "squeaky wheel" system..... whatever blows up first gets replaced :pound

Jubilee21
April 8th, 2008, 11:30 PM
I honestly do not have a very clear picture of how severe the infrastructure is and how much this is impeeding development of more cost efficient ways to utilize nuclear power..but if push came to shove, it seems like tapping back into nuclear power would resolve the 'energy crisis' so to speak..it certainly would open up jobs to get this up and going in both sectors of replacing/repairing the delivery systems as well as create the energy.Perhaps that is the part of the puzzle that is missing here..

In otherwords what is a rational, logical, fundemental reason for delaying this, setting aside the cost issues..whcih would be dealt with if there was no other alternative..and a forseeable crisis pending that would do more harm to this nation than any outside nation could..

My understanding is that other countries have been investing in development of this technolgy for legitimate purposes so I doubt we are behind the curve with either the means or ability to get back into the game were it not such a hot potato from the environmental end of things with regard to public perception.

Obviously it has to be addressed..what else is the alternative? Having all the oil in the world won't do any one any good if the power goes out.

Seems to me there is a subscript in all of this that much is being anticipated and adressed with an agenda in mind..and a lot of smoke and mirrors to throw folks off the scent so to speak..and somehow, somewhere along the line it will be our land and ability to produce such a significant amount of "food" that can be exported..unlike any other nation in the world.

All these changes in our laws, our nations economy appear to be a hook so to speak that is taking us in a direction for a reason by the ones who are in the driver's seat..is it simply possible that the areas being identified as in the case of the value of the dollar and all these problems seeming to hit at the same time have to do with our food supplies as in the case of who will ultimately come to own the land that produces it and the power over the food, here in this nation as well as the global system..

Something just keeps niggling at me over this..perhaps reading about Monsanto and how their fingerprints are all over this with the genetic altering of seeds and fertilization processes..that have given them almost a monopoly over the entire food chain both at the level of where it is produced and what will be produced..the convergence of the economy, the energy and food supplies all seem to be coming together in some form of a crisis globally that simply makes no sense from a random occurance given the nature of all the variables..

My bet is it is all about the food..all the money or oil in the world won't matter if there is no food..so if money has a priority in terms of power, it would only be reasonable it would prioritize the control of the food, and the means to produce it..this just seems to be a huge door for the anti-christ to walk through and yet to be perceived as the savior would have to have a remedy for.

Am just pondering..seems to me food is spoken about so much in the bible in terms of prophecy..and this may be the currency opposed to any other form, aka oil ,precious metals or paper currency..as in literally a days wage means you don't get your food because food is the payroll.

RememberTheName
April 9th, 2008, 08:15 AM
This is slightly off subject but being a refugee from the energy industry (20 years), I can tell you the bigger problem in short to mid term is infrastructure. Delivery of energy to most cities may as well be delivered by a wire hanger sticking into your basement, it's that primitive and way overloaded already. So even if you build coal plants or nuclear in order to produce it, delivery problems must be addressed. It's a "chicken or egg" problem.

Almost reminds me of how the internet works. The system we use is essentially the same as when it all first started. Improvements are made every day, but the wires it travels on and the systems we use to get data from one spot to another is basically the same. It'd be too expensive to roll out an entire new system, and in the long run it'll be too expensive not to. You can build the best servers, routing centers, what have you, but that's not the problem. The problem is that we're still going over telephone wire, or cable tv wire.