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billiefan2000
April 14th, 2008, 11:12 AM
The Pure Bride of Christ or Harlot?

This image was featured yesterday on the front page of the Canton, Ohio newspaper, the Repository.

Here’s the story.


http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=407278&Category=8&fromSearch=yes&subCategoryID=0


Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.–I John 2:15-16


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If I told you that the hottest local venues for teen rock bands are at Jackson Friends Church, First Christian Church and Bethel Temple, would you believe me?

These churches, along with MySpace pages, have provided the groundwork for a thriving young garage-band scene. It's not "Christian rock" per se, although some of the bands express spiritual leanings.

Instead, it is about providing area young people with decent places to hang out and giving fledgling bands with inoffensive lyrics a place to be heard.

On a recent Friday night, about 150 kids, mostly 13 to 18, were drawn to a rock show at the Java House, a cozy coffee house in the basement of Jackson Friends Church in Jackson Township. It was a lively crowd, with lots of camaraderie. Refreshingly, the bands are supportive buds, not rivals.

Among the groups performing were P.J. & the Whistlers and Illumination Nation, both finalists in the Repository's 2008 Battle of the Bands, and the Cleveland-based band Viadora. Shows run from about 7 to 11:30 p.m. Admission is $6 or 7, which is split between the five to seven bands appearing at each show.

positive and safe

"It doesn't matter if they have purple hair and earrings in their nose, we want them to know they're welcome here," said Tom Lincoln, Java House operations manager. "Kids feel safe here, and the parents feel safe dropping them off. We want to be a positive influence."

"It's the best place to play," Joe Suter, 18, said. "Everyone from everywhere comes here, and there's all ages, too. There's usually nothing to do around here, just movies, bowling or these shows."

"A lot of bands get heard here," said Bryant Campbell, 17, a guitarist-vocalist for Illumination Nation. "It's a fun place to chill. I come here all the time."

"There's a lot of kids from GlenOak and Perry here tonight, a lot of Jackson Kids," said Jessica Latham, 16, who was working the door. "Being in a church keeps it clean, but it's not church-based music. It's a good chill-zone type of thing."

"We've got a really well-behaved group of kids here," Zach Rambaud, youth pastor at Jackson Friends, said. "We're proud of them."

Jon Lincoln, 17, a vocalist-keyboardist for the band Atlantis Awake, books the shows at Java House, drawing from both the local talent pool and far-away bands passing through the area.

"We've had bands from New York and California here," Lincoln says. "People will message me on the Java House MySpace page. Sometimes we have hardcore shows here, people with lots of body piercings and tattoos. They look scary but they're really nice guys."

"I like seeing different people come around and just hang out," said Sarah Webster, 15, whose favorite local bands are Promise Me Scarlet and Box of Stars. "Everybody gets along."

full-tilt rock shows

If the Java House has a loose and intimate basement vibe, the shows at Edgewood Community Center at First Christian Church in Plain Township have a full-tilt rock concert flavor.

The room is high-ceilinged, the stage is spacious, the stage lighting is dramatic, the sound is crisp and the volume is loud enough that sheriff's deputies regularly issue noise citations. For this reason, the 7 p.m. shows here end promptly at 10.

On a recent Saturday night, more than 200 people turned out at Edgewood to hear Mixtape Metro, Promise Me Scarlet, My Dearest Devotion and 40s.

"I'm pretty sure we have every local high school represented here tonight, along with people from Mount Union, Kent and Walsh. It's definitely a smorgasbord," said Curtis Miller, who promotes the shows at Edgewood. Also spotted were parents of band members wielding videocams on tripods.

"We bring in regional and national acts, but we find that the local bands are a big attraction. The local music scene is real important to our culture and our community," Miller said. "Some are Christian bands, some are not. It's a mix. The only rule is that you can't have profanity or be offensive to women."

As for the $7 admission fee, Miller said, "Tonight all the bands are guaranteed $100, but the more they bring, the more they make, which gives them motivation to promote."

Among the attendees are a pair of 16-year-olds from Canton South High School, Allissa Gearhart and Josie Carrick.

"I love Mixtape and Promise Me Scarlet is a new favorite," Gearhart said. "There's a big area here, you can jump around. You can meet a lot of new people."

"My parents don't care if I come here. They're all for it," Carrick said. "There's always security plus there's parents, which is kind of lame..."

"I've been to two or three shows here," said Cole Taylor, 16, guitarist-vocalist for Illumination Nation. "It's good for the local music scene. More exposure, more money."

'DEFINITELY THE BIGGEST'

At Bethel Temple, rock shows happen in a carpeted gymnasium. The stage, lighting rig and P.A. system came from the Odeon, for years one of Cleveland's leading concert venues. (Youth pastor Don Blanton was a soundman at the Odeon.)

"It's definitely the biggest venue around," said Alex Kopp, 18, drummer for My Dearest Devotion, and Bethel's concert promoter. "We had a benefit for Promise Me Scarlet in February and we had probably close to 600 kids. It was just crazy."

Shows are usually held twice a month, featuring bands from the local teen scene as well as Malone and Walsh universities.

"I've traveled around a lot," Kopp said. "And we definitely have one of the biggest and most growing music scenes around."


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Final Trumpet
April 14th, 2008, 11:59 AM
And it makes sense that the picture has the girl making the sign of the devil... :tsk

Princess1959
April 14th, 2008, 05:37 PM
And it makes sense that the picture has the girl making the sign of the devil... :tsk
Sign of the devil? Dude - you just insulted every Texas Longhorn fan. That's their sign for "hook em' horns"! :scratch

Final Trumpet
April 14th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Study up on it. That isn't the sign of the "hook em' horns". Why would a girl representing rock and roll be using that sign? That has nothing to do with with the Longhorns.

Princess1959
April 14th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Study up on it. That isn't the sign of the "hook em' horns". Why would a girl representing rock and roll be using that sign? That has nothing to do with with the Longhorns.
EXCUSE ME, but I live in Texas and this is most definately the "hook em horns" sign. I'm not saying those rock bands might use it for some other meaning, but that isn't the ONLY meaning of that sign.

In fact, during a parade (I think), President Bush made that sign and there was an uproar from some christians - until it was explained that one of his daughters had attended and graduated from the University of Texas.

The girl in the picture could have relatives who attend UT - you just don't know! And it's very judgmental to ASSUME she's making the sign of the devil just because she's listening to rock music. Remember, the article said the bands couldn't play music that had offensive lyrics - so I highly doubt she was listening to satanic music.

Final Trumpet
April 14th, 2008, 10:10 PM
:tsk

Chuck Taylorz
April 15th, 2008, 05:49 PM
EXCUSE ME, but I live in Texas and this is most definately the "hook em horns" sign. I'm not saying those rock bands might use it for some other meaning, but that isn't the ONLY meaning of that sign.

In fact, during a parade (I think), President Bush made that sign and there was an uproar from some christians - until it was explained that one of his daughters had attended and graduated from the University of Texas.

The girl in the picture could have relatives who attend UT - you just don't know! And it's very judgmental to ASSUME she's making the sign of the devil just because she's listening to rock music. Remember, the article said the bands couldn't play music that had offensive lyrics - so I highly doubt she was listening to satanic music.

^^be that as It May..But that hand symbol represent the 'D*vil's Horns* or a way for Folks who are of the that faith, to recognize one another. All one has to do is look over a lot of Rock artist album covers to see the symbol and what it stands for! Thus the reason why a lot of folks like you have stated in your post were upset when Bush throw up that hand sign..

Bottom line is, even though in Texas it may mean something else, but universally that hand symbol is known for something more sinister.....Marilyn Manson using that sign too,and he is a senior Figure on Anton Lavey's Church of Satan flock..

Final Trumpet
April 15th, 2008, 06:13 PM
Sorry, "hook em horns" is far more sinister than you can imagine. They have an occultic "hex ceremony" to place a curse on their opposing rival team. The ceremony was started in 1941 by a palm reader to put a curse on their opponent A&M. So they were steeped in occultism before someone came up with their "hand sign". And of course their hand sign was one used by occultists and those of secret fraternal organizations long before it was used for their team sign. So is it any wonder that if their getting advice from a satanist that they wouldn't adopt the same signs?

Pictures of a rally:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/sports/photos/11/112106_hexrally.html

Princess1959
April 15th, 2008, 07:13 PM
Sorry, "hook em horns" is far more sinister than you can imagine. They have an occultic "hex ceremony" to place a curse on their opposing rival team. The ceremony was started in 1941 by a palm reader to put a curse on their opponent A&M. So they were steeped in occultism before someone came up with their "hand sign". And of course their hand sign was one used by occultists and those of secret fraternal organizations long before it was used for their team sign. So is it any wonder that if their getting advice from a satanist that they wouldn't adopt the same signs?

Pictures of a rally:

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/sports/photos/11/112106_hexrally.html

Oh get over yourself! You are taking this whole sign thing waaaaay too seriously! Do you really think anyone at UT thinks they are taking part in a satanic, occultic ritual? The UT and Texas A&M rivalry is one of the fiercest in college sports and everything is done in fun. Stop looking for evil in everything - not only do you get yourself worked up over nothing, but you make yourself look pretty silly.

Chuck Taylorz
April 15th, 2008, 07:39 PM
Oh get over yourself! You are taking this whole sign thing waaaaay too seriously! Do you really think anyone at UT thinks they are taking part in a satanic, occultic ritual? The UT and Texas A&M rivalry is one of the fiercest in college sports and everything is done in fun. Stop looking for evil in everything - not only do you get yourself worked up over nothing, but you make yourself look pretty silly.

say What??

I think the poster above is letting you know that the 'hand symbol stands for something else, and is viewed different by the general Publicly.She is merely educating and informing you.....There's no need for you to retaliate in that manner....

The swastikas is recognize as a symbol of Nazism, but it's also a Hindu, and other ancient groups symbol of 'Good', 'Hope','Power' 'strength'.