(Was...A Mormon U.S. President - Could This Fit Into Prophecy?) Now is LDS a Cult?

[JohnnyHye]

"Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world."

"Mormons believe, just as Christians everywhere that Christ is the literal Son of God. That He died on the cross and was resurrected after three days. Because of this act everyone will receive the gift of resurrection and their bodies will be reunited with their spirits.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the world in the Garden of Gethsemane. It is through the gift of the Atonement that members may repent of their sins and gain the gift of "eternal life", which is life with God.
"This wonderful blessing is made possible through His grace, not by our works. We gain access to his grace through faith (Rom. 5:2), a principle that leads us to act and obey and grow in Christ, gaining patience, hope, and so forth (see Rom. 5:2-6; 2 Peter 1:3-10). Our faith and obedience does not earn salvation, but provides access to the gift."6
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."7 Christ taught numerous times that those who truly followed him needed to obey his teachings, which included repenting and forsaking sin. He taught that a person's salvation was conditional upon the following of His word. In both Matthew 19:16-17 and Luke 10:25-28, Christ was asked what needed to be done to gain eternal life and both times Christ answered keep the commandments."

What is wrong with this?

What's wrong with this is that to say this is what mormons believe is a half-truth. Yes, they believe that, but ONLY with their own definitions of everything. They don't believe it the way any other Christian would believe it. This is their way of getting gullible, ignorant Christians to believe that they are also Christians.

[CelticMist]

I normally have a lot of respect for you and your views, celtic, even when I disagree. Sorry you placed me up somewhere only to see that I too am human.


[But I have to say that in this thread you've been disingenuous, and seem to have been only trying to argue. I think your intentions were to open up a discussion to get people to think, but on your end you have constantly changed your story while not acknowledging answers that you have been given, all the while complaining that nobody is answering you. I'm not arguing.. I was discussing... again sorry you thought it was to argue. You all have not made your point clear, you have avoided a lot of my questions, some have just cut off part of what I said.. to mislead anyone that has not been following this as if I was saying Jesus in the Christian understanding is the same as Jesus in the Mormon understanding. You have just tore my post a part .. which is fine. I still stand on the "judging" vs "not judging" the individual. How have I changed my story... because I changed the wording to fit the way of others? I have repeatedly stated I will not judge them... I will leave it to God to do that.


You said in earlier posts that it is possible for people to be saved in the Mormon church because they have the Bible there. OK, they have the Bible in the Masonic Lodge, too. So let's not judge them either. The Masonic Lodge consist of men who are from Christian denominations. I know all about this lodge.. I used to be in the young women branch called Rainbow Girls, a step before Eastern Star.


You say it's wrong to judge that Mormons aren't Christians because we don't know their hearts and shouldn't judge their individual hearts, yet now you say we shouldn't let them "walk in the dark", so you apparently believe it's OK to judge that someone is walking in the dark. Where did I ever say this "Mormons arent' Christians". I'm disappointed in you Johnny on how you can accuse me of this, yet you have a boulder in your own eye when it comes to witnessing to them. Where am I judging them? Why are you adding to what I'm saying? You either walk in the LIGHT or you walk in darkness... no judging there at all.


By the way, the Bible is found in every secular university library and even every public library. God's Word is there, it's everywhere! So how can we judge anyone as being non-Christian? We don't know their individual hearts! Who is judging? You all have stated the Mormons are not Christian, you judge them due to the "religion" they are in. I don't therefore you accuse me of judging them on the words I use as "walking in darkness".


How do you witness to mormon missionaries? You said you do. How do you judge them to be non-Christians that need witnessing to? Why is it OK for you to judge these mormon missionaries are not Christians, but it's not OK for any of us to judge that mormons are not Christians? I discuss scripture with them.. that is my witness. Where did I say this? How do you witness to them? How is talking scripture to these young men, judging? Tell me what you really mean when you use the word "for you to judge these mormon missionaries are not Christians?" How is this judging. please tell me cause I don't see it as judging.


I explained in another post that you apparently didn't read that while the Word of God is in the Mormon church it is not seen as the Word of God or perfect or accurate. They only take what they want from it, and they use it for appearances to fool gullible Christians into thinking that they are also somehow Christian. Are you saying here that God's Word will go void then?


Anyway, extremely disappointing how you've acted in this thread. I'd normally expect much better from you.
I can say the same, but I don't put you higher than anyone else on this board to include myself.

If I'm so wrong in not wanting to judge them... show me my errors with love attached to it... and not attacks and tearing my post a part.

[CelticMist]

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What's wrong with this is that to say this is what mormons believe is a half-truth. Yes, they believe that, but ONLY with their own definitions of everything. They don't believe it the way any other Christian would believe it. This is their way of getting gullible, ignorant Christians to believe that they are also Christians.

Why do you think its just gullible... I really don't understand .. is this just a "surface" coating... is that what you mean?

[CelticMist]

Neither of those mormon propaganda websites even deny this belief. All either one tries to do is make it sound better than it is. But the mormons do believe that we are all "spirit-brothers", including Jesus and Lucifer. This means that Jesus is not our Creator or Lucifer's Creator, but on a spiritual level is or was our Equal and Lucifer's Equal.

What's up with this kind of post from a supposed Christian, to call our understanding of this mormon heresy a "misunderstanding"??? Why are you fighting brothers and sisters in Christ to defend Mormonism??? Seriously.
I'm not fighting Johnny, honestly.. I posted these to get views on them. Sorry you are thinking this. You know what... I will bow out gracefully on this thread. I will continue to witness to the people in this "cult" .. just pray that many will turn to the Jesus we follow... the one who is the "I Am".

[JohnnyHye]

Why do you think its just gullible... I really don't understand .. is this just a "surface" coating... is that what you mean?

Yes, it's a "surface coating". It is designed to fool you. The very second you enter their church you have to confess to things that go against God's Word. You cannot be a member of the mormon church by believing only what you quoted above, whereas that would be sufficient to be a member of most Christian churches.

The Mormon religion hired a PR firm to professionally fleece the public into thinking they are something that they are not. Their religion is more about outer space gods and eternal sex than it is about even their fake jesus.

[CelticMist]

You have mislead posters by cutting and pasting from different post of mine to make it look as if it was all one. That is deceitful!! You have left off the entire sentence only to use one part of it against me... that is very deceitful!!! Go in peace atyclb...

I love you through Christ, but I will not converse again with you for the way you have taken my post and pieced them to fit what you are trying to argue over. That's just not what a brother in Christ should do. Be like Johnny and upfront... thanks

[JohnnyHye]

You have mislead posters by cutting and pasting from different post of mine to make it look as if it was all one. That is deceitful!! You have left off the entire sentence only to use one part of it against me... that is very deceitful!!! Go in peace atyclb...

I love you through Christ, but I will not converse again with you for the way you have taken my post and pieced them to fit what you are trying to argue over. That's just not what a brother in Christ should do. Be like Johnny and upfront... thanks

I don't think he has misled any posters. Celtic, your earliest post, if I'm not mistaken, said that you believe Mormons believe in the 'right Jesus', and they just happen to think joey saw him in a dream. Since that you've criticized me and others for "judging" them as being non-Christians who need to be witnessed to, yet you yourself have judged that they need to be witnessed to. Why would you witness to them if you believe they might be Christians?

Since then, you've posted links to mormon websites that defend their belief of Jesus as Satan's brother, and you've cut and pasted one of their canned statements of belief and presented it questioning others "what's wrong with that?" That's why it seems like you are trying to argue.

Also, I don't know whether your PM to me is a set-up or what, because it's rather different from the reply you gave me on this thread. Or maybe the PM is a joke or sarcastic, or maybe your post in this thread is a joke or sarcastic - I'm not sure what to understand from you at this point.

You say you've answered me, but you never did answer my post regarding Mormon Jesus' being married and having many children.

I get the feeling you take this personally somehow, like either you are or were a Mormon, or have close friends or family who are. I have to agree with atcyb that it is odd that you'd be so judgmental towards Rick Warren or whoever, and rightfully so, but when it comes to a real cult like mormonism you are defensive. It just doesn't add up. And I apologize for putting you on too high a standard or whatever, I promise I won't do that anymore.

[CelticMist]

You say you've answered me, but you never did answer my post regarding Mormon Jesus' being married and having many children.


Post #68

since when is it unauthorized to post urls where one has read on something that another is discussing... since when Johnny is this wrong doing?

wow... glad you all are not God ... you take a word or phrase and blow it way out of the ball park.

I'm finished here... I really am.

[JohnnyHye]

Post #68

since when is it unauthorized to post urls where one has read on something that another is discussing... since when Johnny is this wrong doing?

It's not. I never said it was. Nothing wrong with doing that. What makes you think that I ever said it is wrong to post urls where one has read on something that another is discussing???

My problem with that post of yours was more to do with your message than the actual posting of links. If I recall, it was something about how those links would somehow dispel or clear up the "misunderstanding" on the part of those of us who are Christians and have identified the Mormon belief that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. It was a very snide remark, I recall.

Not once, however, have I said that posting urls is "wrong doing".

See, this is why I get the feeling that you're disingenuous. Either you really didn't pay attention to what I said in my other post and made assumptions, or you knew what I was getting at and tried to twist it around to somehow make me look like I'm unreasonable and criticizing your posting of url's.


wow... glad you all are not God ... you take a word or phrase and blow it way out of the ball park.

I'm finished here... I really am.

I think you were finished here a while back. Something to think about, celtic, is that if EVERYONE else has understood you in pretty much the same way, and you think everyone else is wrong and doesn't understand you, then it might not be everyone else, it might actually be you. Perhaps you're wrong, or perhaps you're not communicating effectively - either way, it's possible you're the one who is wrong here, and in that case it's not fair of you to accuse everyone of taking "a word of phrase and blow it way out of the ball park".

[CelticMist]

Go ye into the world and preach the gospel to all men... don't leave one stone unturned.

Don't cast judgment upon any one, unless ye want to be judged.

Don't add to someone's words or change them to your liking.

Show Jesus through you... not you through yourself.

blessedinhim understand where I came from...
just disagreed once with me.... that's ok... God knows my heart and He knows I meant well here... I have no hard feelings... you all continue on what you are called to do.. and I will continue on what I am called to do. :0