(Was...A Mormon U.S. President - Could This Fit Into Prophecy?) Now is LDS a Cult?

[ATYCLB]

I've asked about if those that have come to know Jesus through false teachers are they really saved... not one who has addressed my post have answered that question.How can you say that? Your question has been answered.

Again:

If the Mormon Jesus isn't able to cleanse us from all sins, then he is "another Jesus"
and a "false Christ".

There is no salvation to be found in him.


I feel they want me to "judge" these people and I can't do that. For I know not their hearts.

I can judge with righteous judgment on the "religion", but how can we really judge the individual when we do not know their hearts?

What gives any of us the right to judge another, really? Their sins.. their way of living... ?Again and again you make these statements or ask these questions . . .
but you fail to acknowledge that you have repeatedly done the same thing.

I've already pointed out a couple of examples for you. Here are more
of your words of judgment concerning Rick Warren:


The man is a false teacher.

Stay clear of him!!!!

Now... talk about a "cult"!!!!!! Any one who follows this man... is following a deceiver.

I'm sure he and his wife really give 90% of their wages to charity... what a crock....

he is scary to me!!! Most men of his caliber don't phase me, but there is something about this man that "scares" me.How is this any different than what you accuse some of us on this thread
of doing?

How is it that you are somehow exempt from the same lofty standards that
you've been lecturing us on?


My way of witnessing to the Mormons or any other group (individual) is through God's Word.If, as you say, Mormons "do believe in Jesus" . . . what are you witnessing to
them about, and why?


I'm just showing you what we ought to do instead of casting them to the wayside. Do you want their blood on your hands?No.

That's why some make a stand and let them know that if they are putting
their faith in the Mormon Jesus for salvation, the "false Christ" who is unable
to cleanse us of all our sins, they are lost.

We are warned about the "another Jesus" and the "false Christs" for one very
simple reason:

Anyone putting their faith in him/them for salvation are not saved because there
is no salvation to be found there.

Ignoring that and allowing someone to think they are saved simply because
they've put their faith in anyone (or anything) else who just happens to have
the same name as Jesus would be casting them to the wayside and putting
blood on our hands.


They have the right JesusIf their Jesus isn't able to cleanse us of all sins, what exactly makes him
"the right Jesus"?

[CelticMist]

The "right Jesus".. our Jesus... is there; but, from the Mormon "doctrine" we know they see Jesus as a brother to Satan... you can go and be baptized in the name of a loved one upon a year passing of their death, that there are five levels to heaven... etc......brainwashing as some have stated... we who have Jesus the Son of God have a work cut out ... if our goal is to maintain what Christ came for 'to save souls not to condemn them'; we need to reach these people before its too late.

Do we leave our loved ones in this organization or do we get them out? That's the bottomline!!! I will not let a loved one stay walking in the dark and I will do my utmost to get them out of this organization or any other that has been lying to them. As long as they have the Holy Bible our Jesus is there!!!!! We just have to get them to see what the Bible says .. have them line those false books they have as their "guide" up against what God's Holy Bible says.


atyclb, Rick Warren thread is in another section. As I said in another post to you.. I'm finished conversing with you, because you have missed my point completely, you question how to witness to them...we witness to them by allowing the Holy Spirit to use us. Reason I'm not addressing your post they are ignored. I saw it when I got up..and before I signed in but, I will not be addressing on what you have to say. (with all due respect)

Go in peace..

May God bless us this day and grant His mercy and grace upon each of us.

[BlessedinHim]

I have to disagree with you on this point, the Jesus they serve is not the Jesus we serve. If their Jesus has a brother Satan, then that is not my Jesus. If their Jesus was married to several women, that is not my Jesus.

With the description of their Jesus vs the description of our Jesus, they are not the same person. As long as they hold to the doctrine of mormonism, they are utterly lost.

[CelticMist]

I have to disagree with you on this point, the Jesus they serve is not the Jesus we serve. If their Jesus has a brother Satan, then that is not my Jesus. If their Jesus was married to several women, that is not my Jesus.

With the description of their Jesus vs the description of our Jesus, they are not the same person. As long as they hold to the doctrine of mormonism, they are utterly lost.

I've never said they serve our Jesus.... but He is there in the scriptures of God's Word, as long as they have the Holy Bible we can show them in God's Word where the doctrine of Joseph Smith is completely distorted. I think you all are intrepretating the word "right Jesus" wrong..I've only used this term because one stated "wrong Jesus".. The description Joseph Smith has put in his doctrine is completely wrong. But as a representative of Jesus our Lord and Savior it is our duty to do our utmost to get them out of this "cult" and into the LIGHT ...there will come a time for some that we just shake the dust off our sandals and move on, but until I feel the Spirit tell me ... it is time to move on.. I will stay the course.

[CelticMist]

Question to all who have been conversing:

Are you patient enough to see this work for the glorification of our heavenly Father? Are you willing enough to witness to them and allow the Holy Spirit to use you as His instrument/vessel to get the gospel of Jesus Christ to them?

[CelticMist]

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/kevgram/brothers.html

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/brother_satan.htm

hmmm these talk about the misunderstanding of the belief Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. Care to tear this apart for those of us that are simple minded.

[JohnnyHye]

I normally have a lot of respect for you and your views, celtic, even when I disagree.

But I have to say that in this thread you've been disingenuous, and seem to have been only trying to argue. I think your intentions were to open up a discussion to get people to think, but on your end you have constantly changed your story while not acknowledging answers that you have been given, all the while complaining that nobody is answering you.

You said in earlier posts that it is possible for people to be saved in the Mormon church because they have the Bible there. OK, they have the Bible in the Masonic Lodge, too. So let's not judge them either.

You say it's wrong to judge that Mormons aren't Christians because we don't know their hearts and shouldn't judge their individual hearts, yet now you say we shouldn't let them "walk in the dark", so you apparently believe it's OK to judge that someone is walking in the dark.

By the way, the Bible is found in every secular university library and even every public library. God's Word is there, it's everywhere! So how can we judge anyone as being non-Christian? We don't know their individual hearts!

How do you witness to mormon missionaries? You said you do. How do you judge them to be non-Christians that need witnessing to? Why is it OK for you to judge these mormon missionaries are not Christians, but it's not OK for any of us to judge that mormons are not Christians?

I explained in another post that you apparently didn't read that while the Word of God is in the Mormon church it is not seen as the Word of God or perfect or accurate. They only take what they want from it, and they use it for appearances to fool gullible Christians into thinking that they are also somehow Christian.

Anyway, extremely disappointing how you've acted in this thread. I'd normally expect much better from you.

[CelticMist]

"Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world."

"Mormons believe, just as Christians everywhere that Christ is the literal Son of God. That He died on the cross and was resurrected after three days. Because of this act everyone will receive the gift of resurrection and their bodies will be reunited with their spirits.
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of the world in the Garden of Gethsemane. It is through the gift of the Atonement that members may repent of their sins and gain the gift of "eternal life", which is life with God.
"This wonderful blessing is made possible through His grace, not by our works. We gain access to his grace through faith (Rom. 5:2), a principle that leads us to act and obey and grow in Christ, gaining patience, hope, and so forth (see Rom. 5:2-6; 2 Peter 1:3-10). Our faith and obedience does not earn salvation, but provides access to the gift."6
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."7 Christ taught numerous times that those who truly followed him needed to obey his teachings, which included repenting and forsaking sin. He taught that a person's salvation was conditional upon the following of His word. In both Matthew 19:16-17 and Luke 10:25-28, Christ was asked what needed to be done to gain eternal life and both times Christ answered keep the commandments."

What is wrong with this?

[JohnnyHye]

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/kevgram/brothers.html

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/qa/brother_satan.htm

hmmm these talk about the misunderstanding of the belief Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers. Care to tear this apart for those of us that are simple minded.

Neither of those mormon propaganda websites even deny this belief. All either one tries to do is make it sound better than it is. But the mormons do believe that we are all "spirit-brothers", including Jesus and Lucifer. This means that Jesus is not our Creator or Lucifer's Creator, but on a spiritual level is or was our Equal and Lucifer's Equal.

What's up with this kind of post from a supposed Christian, to call our understanding of this mormon heresy a "misunderstanding"??? Why are you fighting brothers and sisters in Christ to defend Mormonism??? Seriously.

[ATYCLB]

The "right Jesus".. our Jesus... is thereBut they don't "have the right Jesus" as you stated.



we need to reach these people before its too late.Too late for what?

The "need to reach these people before its too late" implies that there
are dire consequences for them if we don't.

If you believe we should "reach these people", then you are making a
judgment that they need to be reached for some reason.

How is your belief that we "need to reach these people before its too late"
any different than what others have been telling you for the past several
pages?

As you asked earlier:



How do you know individuals in this religion have placed their own salvation in the "wrong Jesus" as you put it? Do you know their heart? Have you talked to them individually or are you just basing your opinion on what you know of that religion?



Do we leave our loved ones in this organization or do we get them out? That's the bottomline!!! I will not let a loved one stay walking in the dark and I will do my utmost to get them out of this organization or any other that has been lying to them.How is your acknowledgment that they are "walking in the dark" any
different than anything we've been saying to you?



atyclb, Rick Warren thread is in another section.Still, your words. You doing the same thing you've been railing at some of
us about.



As I said in another post to you.. I'm finished conversing with you, because you have missed my point completely,I haven't missed your points at all, which is why I've challenged you on them:



I think they do believe in Jesus... but they believe Jesus visited Joey in a vision.

Who says it is a cult?

Who are we to say it is the "wrong Jesus"?...

They have the right Jesus



you question how to witness to them...I question how you believe we should witness to them.

Pretending that we share the same Jesus as the Mormon faith, pretending
that those who have put their faith in the Mormon Jesus for salvation are
actually saved, pretending that the Mormon faith isn't a cult and repeatedly
accusing your brothers and sisters in Christ as "condemning" those who
are lost in this cult . . .

Yeah, I question all of that, and I will challenge it.