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Sing4Him
April 25th, 2008, 09:33 PM
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel Gal. 1:6



Church Planters Keeping U.S. Christianity Alive
Fri, Apr. 25 2008 01:30 PM ET

Church planting is hard, many pastors would say. But it's where much of the church growth is happening in America at a time when most churches are dying.

Fri, Apr. 25, 2008 Posted: 13:30:24 PM EST

Church planting is hard, many pastors would say. But it's where much of the church growth is happening in America at a time when most churches are dying.

"Two-thirds of all churches in America are plateaued and declining," said Pastor Rick Warren after speaking Thursday to thousands of church planters at the Exponential Conference in Orlando, "and if it weren't for the growth that's taking place in church plants and megachurches, Christianity would be declining."
Warren, founding pastor of Saddleback Community Church in Lake Forest, Calif., says the growth in church plants and megachurches has helped keep the Christian population in the United States from dropping.:doh:twitch

His comments come as the latest statistics from the Southern Baptist Convention, of which his church is a part of, show baptisms have dropped for the third straight year in 2007 and total membership dipped. Some say membership has plateaued and is on a trend toward decline unless change happens within the 16-million member denomination. Southern Baptists are now being seen as one among many major Protestant groups that are declining.

News of the denomination's decline was released during the April 21-24 Exponential Conference where over 2,700 church planters and leaders attended to analyze the DNA of successful reproducing churches. The annual conference has been touted as the "mother of all church planting conferences":doh:doh:doh:doh

Today, church planting has reached an all-time high with approximately 4,000 new churches planted every year in the United States, according to the "State of Church Planting USA" study. Church plants are also starting out with larger crowds with hundreds joining the first worship service, and the survival and success rate of church plants is at 68 percent.

One of the biggest trends in church planting today is the multiple venue church, or the multi-site church. The idea is that one church meets in multiple locations which are fed video satellite preaching from the main church campus.

Dave Ferguson, pastor of Community Christian Church, is expanding outreach and already transitioning from a multi-site church to a "poly-site" church – reproducing different kinds of campuses to reach different kinds of people – where the mission becomes the priority rather than just reproducing the same church, he said.

While some believe the large church trend will soon die out, Warren says the next generation of churches is going to be even bigger.

"They're going to be far larger than the boomer generation of churches because they're not limited to one campus anymore," he said in an interview featured on the Exponential Conference Web site.

Warren's Saddleback has planted over 40 independent "daughter churches" in Southern California and it recently launched a multi-site initiative with a goal of 10 campuses by the year 2010. According to Saddleback's multi-site church blog, its new campuses in Corona and Irvine drew 490 and nearly 2,000 attendants, respectively, to the first service.

"Reproduction is the mark of health," Warren commented.:ohno

Meanwhile, Alan Hirsch, co-founder of Shapevine and the founding director of Forge Mission Training Network which focuses on developing missional leaders in western contexts, believes church plants in America need to adopt a more missionary stance.

"I think here in America, I think church planting is still very bonded to church growth methodology and ideas," Australian-born Hirsch said in an interview featured on MondayMorningInsight, a Web site for pastors and church leaders.

"It (America) hasn't really thought through ... the nature of the church as a mission agency. We simply have to adopt a missionary stance in relationship to our culture," he continued. "We've got to break the monopoly that church growth thinking has over our mindset. Because unless we do that we'll never become a truly missionary agency."

The Exponential Conference featured other well-known speakers, including Tim Keller, founding and lead pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian; Ed Stetzer, former church planter and director of Lifeway Research; and Andy Stanley, ...

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080425/32112_Church_Planters_Keeping_U.S._Christianity_Al ive.htm



:tsk:tsk:tsk

Just Ron
April 25th, 2008, 09:48 PM
Hey Rick!

Who is the Head of the Church?

His Bride
April 25th, 2008, 10:21 PM
So what if church plants are thriving? How many of those people are truly saved? I'm sorry, but numbers don't mean saved souls!! Let's see some true repentance and grief over sin, not worry about numbers or felt needs. Let's throw away all the "christian" self help books that are filling the Christian bookstores and start reading God's Word again. Let's pray that He show you what He wants and what He means. Let's allow the Holy Spirit to work again and dismiss the emergent, purpose driven false teachers. Let's remove Harry Potter from the power points and "Jesus is my boyfriend" music. Let's stop the madness and return to worship in spirit and in truth!

Sorry, just needed to vent. "Church" is really disappointing these days unless you are blessed to find a pastor who isn't afraid to swim upstream against the apostate tide.

Sing4Him
April 25th, 2008, 10:28 PM
LIsten to Rick's INTERVIEW: (not all in order..)

"..The older churches are only baptizing the young ones.. it's biological growth not conversion growth,
The first step is stop the denial and the second is we must be willing to repent>>>>we've gotta say,"we don't get it" and one of the things that is good that just came out is..it's gonna make some people desperate, a desperate church is a wonderful church to lead..it's far more easy to lead a desperate church than it is a satisfied at ease church .. 2/3's of all th churches in america are plateau'd and declining.. if it weren't for the growth taking place in churchplants Christianity and mega churches would be declining..Barna talks...growth is in church plants..keeps it steady... day of reckoning.. we have to humble ourselves and say we gotta to learn a whole new thing....and we can't give pat answers anymore

people say:
IF they say you just pray, love people and preach the word you're church will grow.. that just is not true somebody needs to stand up..I know alot of guys who pray more than I do and they are dying.. it takes more than prayer it takes more than prayer to grow the church....

come and see is the entry point for faith, come check us out.. just show up..Jesus never left them there.. he took them through different steps.. you're my disciple IF you loveone another.. if you bear fruit.. if you take up your cross... if you bear fruit.. eat my flesh and drink His blood.. people went "ewww and left" and Jesus said to disciples are you going ot leave too?...
commitment is sequential.. that is what purpose driven is.. you are either a come and see church or come in die..................much more to hear..

unbelieveable!!!!

icebear
April 25th, 2008, 10:44 PM
:gaah

Pleye
April 26th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Much like the economy and the real estate market, church growth can't continue in an upward trend forever Rick!

The mark of a good church is not numbers.

For me, I would want to know if your people are being fed, or are you using the 'seeker sensitive' model? Afraid to speak the name of Jesus in a service in case it offends someone who walked in off the street.

Well, unlike the economy Rick can't keep lowering the interest rate to keep his brand of Christianity from causing a recession. A few years of following Rick's program, not achieving success and not getting those numbers and some pastors will start asking "what is this purpose driven stuff good for then?" I hope.

Sing4Him
April 26th, 2008, 12:47 AM
also.. so prayer doesn't work, Rick, huh???

It's not effective enough for you, oh grand poopah??!

MochaMel
April 26th, 2008, 12:53 AM
LIsten to Rick's INTERVIEW: (not all in order..)

................much more to hear..

unbelieveable!!!!

It is completely unbelievable!! :tsk Why is church growth associated with numbers mean truly saved lives b/c of Jesus and His saving grace for what He has done for us and the hell He saved us from.. What a bunch of horse patooey!!

I don't think a big church means saved in the multitudes -- i think it means (NOT always don't throw tomatoes at me) that we are forgetting our 1st love and looking for numbers instead of looking to befriend and help our fellow man and be a mirror of Jesus.. Big numbers mean less personal interaction with other Christians -- less one on one discipling of younger brothers and sisters and vice versa.... We spend so much time doing our worldly duties that we must do to live -- that so often the stuff Jesus wants us to do and be gets thrown out the door b/c there is no time left.. VERY, VERY sad. We need to go back to the basics of the Acts church - and if we can be big and there for one another like that then were on good ground - if not we better re-think our walk..

Being a Christian is not a once a week thing, a self-help book, a how can i get richer faster, etc, etc... Ad nauseum:ohno

billiefan2000
April 26th, 2008, 12:31 PM
Rick, maybe they are growing is cause of the itching ears pastors


2 Timothy 4:3-4

Final Trumpet
April 26th, 2008, 01:48 PM
instead of looking to befriend and help our fellow man

Actually, they do this. They uphold helping the poor and social justice as pillars to their doctrine. But it isn't about Jesus and not centered in him. It is centered in humanistic philosophy and error. The poor are helped, but without mention of Jesus. Social justice is confronted without the ultimate reason why. Theirs is all man-centered, feel good about yourself dogma, and not doing those things for the sake and cause of Christ.