Eternal Security

[humblebleu]

I have had multiple conversations lately opposing eternal security or OSAS (once saved always saved).

I posted a thread about a year ago with questions about Hebrews Ch. 6 regarding losing your salvation. I read Jack Kelly's take on the matter on the gracethrufaith website and I agree with his justification for OSAS but I can't get past the fact that I am not knowledgable enough about the Bible to truly feel like it is fact. Its not that I doubt that I am saved, I just have a problem with the idea that salvation isn't forever from the time you accept Jesus. Everything outside of that just wears me down and makes me think that no-one can know if they are going to heaven.

I'd appreciate suggested scripture that backs my claim up.

Thanks

[HeIsEnough]

I think this is the best place for this question. :hat

[Blood Bought]

Scoot on down to Hebrews 6:9 But, beloved (believers), we are persuaded better things of you, and things that ACCOMPANY salvation, though we thus speak.

My comentary: Grow up and show some fruit in your life. You're in danger of all your works at the Judgement Seat (for believers) to all go up in flames.

Ephesians 1:4-5 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

My commentary: Who can bring a charge to the elect? How could anybody, including ourselves, thwart God's good pleasure, and the counsel of His own will? When we look at how rotten we really are, it can be difficult to believe, but this is the Word of our Holy God.

Rom 8:34-39 Who [is] he that condemneth? [It is] Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.


My commentary: We need to rely on these truths of the Word. I understand the fear of losing salvation, and it seems to bother most of us at one time or another, but it's nothing more than a hindrance to our walk. And in the end, if we could lose our salvation, then it falls back to our ability to maintain it, and being accepted on the basis of OUR works, and we get to do some boasting. That is simply impossible.

It's Christ that died, and it's Him that justifies. Did He shed His Blood to save us then LOSE us?

It's not the size of our faith, but the object of the faith. Jesus Christ. It's vitally important we claim these truths, so we can press on in confidence and service to Him, enjoying the ETERNAL gift he has given us that we never deserved.

Thank God!

:)

[Galoutofdixie]

Good post, Blood Bought! :thumb

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

I like to tell folks that when the Lords says 'neither shall Any man pluck them out of my hand... That any man even means ourselves. :)

[Paidfor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzFmekSO2k8&feature=related

[Clouds]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzFmekSO2k8&feature=related

Dr. McGee was the voice on the radio that the Holy Spirit used to lead me into a good understanding of the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ.
When I first heard his voice, there was that accent that made me almost keep turning the dial. I thank the Lord that I kept listening. That voice became the sweetest music to my ears in short order. He is among the best preachers that I ever read or heard. Only the Holy Spirit could make a preacher that effective in preaching God's Word.

[Tio-Peregrino]

That's a great resource. Dr. McGee is very balanced.

Here are some other good links:

Assurance/Eternal Security (http://www.e-grace.net/assure.html)

I'm including this because you seem to now believe that we are eternally secure. Are there some passages that you would like to discuss specifically?

[Galoutofdixie]

Dr. McGee was the voice on the radio that the Holy Spirit used to lead me into a good understanding of the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ.
When I first heard his voice, there was that accent that made me almost keep turning the dial. I thank the Lord that I kept listening. That voice became the sweetest music to my ears in short order. He is among the best preachers that I ever read or heard. Only the Holy Spirit could make a preacher that effective in preaching God's Word.

I love Dr. McGee! :thumb I listen to his show every night when I go to bed on BBN. :)

[OVemLogo]

Regarding the verse 6 in chapter 6, I think the ISV translates this best (a translation with the right marketing to surpass the NIV as a standard):

http://www.isv.org/catacombs/hebrews_6v6.htm

Greek is a rich language, and a careful study of the verb tenses makes a huge difference.

The ISV has translated Hebrews 6:6 as follows:

and who have fallen away, as long as they continue to crucify to themselves the Son
of God and to expose him to public ridicule.

As for the ISV, they are almost done translating it. Check out the previews section of that website to see their OT, a work in progress. The NT is done, and it should be interesting to see what happens. I personally like the ESV right now as it reminds me of the KJV, but for this verse I think ISV hits the target.

[Biblenuggetlady]

http://www.carm.org/devotions/assurance.htm

Excerpt:

We all have our struggles and we all need to take into account the fact that we are still sinful and we are going to struggle with our sin. But, if you begin to doubt your salvation because you don't "fee" saved, then stop trusting your feelings and start trusting God at His word. Ask yourself if you are struggling against your sin. If you aren't, maybe you aren't saved. But, if you are, then that is a sign of life. Ask yourself if you believe in the Trinity, that Jesus is God in flesh, and that He died and rose from the dead. If you do, that is a sign of spiritual renewal. Ask yourself if you believe what Jesus said about Him not faking you out, about Him giving to you the Spirit if you ask. If you do, then that means you are believing Him at His word. Take your eyes off your feelings and failures and put them on Christ, His word, and His sacrifice. Trust in Him and Him alone....not what you feel, not what you fail at. He didn't save you because of your works or your "goodness." He did not save you because of what is or is not in you. He saved you because of what is in Him: love and truth.

:hug