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Jubilee21
May 12th, 2008, 03:57 PM
((((sigh)))!!

Given the current news of the exponential rate of rising oil and gas cost's along side of food, etc..am thinking one does not have to be an expert at all to see what heating costs will be like this winter.

http://www.redorbit.com/news/business/1370777/experts_say_heating_costs_will_stay_high/

By DANIEL BARRICK

You may be relieved to finally turn down your thermostat with the arrival of spring. But that doesn't mean you'll be paying less for home heating oil.

The average price for a gallon of oil in New Hampshire nudged past $4 for the first time ever last week, according to the state Office of Energy and Planning. That number has been steadily rising for months, and energy analysts, oil retailers and state officials say they're not predicting a drop anytime soon.

"We don't expect that much good news for the rest of this year," said Tancred Lidderdale, senior economist with the Energy Information Administration. "We expect heating oil prices, unfortunately, to be as high this (coming) winter, if not higher, than last winter."

As of last week, the average price of a gallon of home heating fuel stood at $4.03. That's up from $3.55 a gallon in March and $2.51 a gallon this time last year. The price increases have meant more unpaid bills for oil deliverymen, more requests for financial help from government aid programs and increased interest in alternative fuels.

"This is the worst we've seen," said Bill Fuller of Fred Fuller Oil Co. "You've got people calling and crying, and you feel bad and try to explain that it's not us. We're not the big guys, we're just the retailers."

Fuller said many customers are asking for smaller deliveries to keep their bills down. He's had customers request deliveries of as small as 20 gallons, but the company usually draws the line around 100 gallons per delivery.

Celeste Lovett, manager of New Hampshire's Fuel Assistance Program, said a record number of households - nearly 35,000 - received help from the state to pay fuel bills this winter. The average benefit was $600, and the neediest applicants received up to $975. But as the price per gallon reaches record highs, those one- time benefits don't cover as much of a winter's worth of bills as they did just a few years ago.

"I'm concerned that people may have outstanding balances with their fuel company that this program can't address," Lovett said. "It's not intended to pay all of the household's fuel costs. But the benefit doesn't stretch as far as it did in the past, so people may end up with a higher balance at the end of the year." ( more at link)



Maybe we could use this thread to keep an eye on these rising cost's as well.

At some point these cost's are going to have figures that catch up to what we are seeing at the gas pumps..am hearing a lot about natural gas being the way to go, but then again also info that contradicts this..

My one thought was that if folks can not fill up on oil/kero/propane etc to get through the winter, their only alternative left is electricity ( assuming they don't have fireplaces).

:scratch This has me thinking about how this will impact things..when folks resort to this as a 'solution", that we may see the grids overloaded by space heaters similar to the heat waves of summer with air conditioning....folks who can't afford fuel cost's will resort to electric alternatives for heating just to get by..

Any thoughts?

This article says that there is talk of reducing energy/heating assistance programs at the Federal level for this winter as well , to "save money"...

Am hearing the winter is supposed to be milder this year too but here we are in April and in PA we are supposed to see the mid to high 30's tonight..so the weather seems to have a mind of its own lately when it comes to cooperating with the "experts"...

Tammy
May 12th, 2008, 04:47 PM
I thought that electric was to go up 18% the 1st of July. I don't think people will have the money for oil or electric. It should be a cold winter for most. I know it is cold and rainy here today and I will not turn the heat on.

Jubilee21
May 12th, 2008, 05:27 PM
Well, here in PA, the caps are scheduled to be lifted for electric companies by Dec 2010, so I am expecting a train wreck between these costs being tacked back on along side of the the rising costs of electric..

My understanding is that in the manufacturing sector, costs will double..and residential costomers are getting the increases phased in from July 2008 forward to "ease the pain" which is really just an eventual slow death..the rates we pay now will be on the average 70% higher when the caps come off in 2010.

In Texas, electricity prices just went up 21-percent in the last 6 weeks!

In New England, deregulation means that residents there are paying the highest electric rates of anyone in the continental United States.

Residents in New England pay nearly double what Pennsylvanians are now paying. And that’s because we have rate caps that are still in place. But, once they expire, wouldn't be surprised if we ended up in the same boat!

Definately a chilling thought..:twitch

I am going down to bare neccesities across the board myself..to try to conserve but..eventually there is no where else to cut back to do this..
What I could tolerate, children or the elderly can't...I have gone 5 weeks in the dead of winter with no heat, frozen pipes or electric after a bad storm a sub-zero temps..it's not fun!

SummerSailing81
May 13th, 2008, 01:25 PM
All of these companies are raising their prices, but what they aren't understanding is that we - the customers - aren't getting pay raises that match their price increases! I guess many of us are just going to have to turn down our thermostats this winter and wear layers and layers of clothing plus our coats in order to be able to survive.

Issachar
May 13th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Just started sorting through firewood and restacking ..... maybe I'll do the restacking up close to the house. Wouldn't want to put a temptation out there. Also, I live by lots of train tracks, trains that carry lots of coal. As they go around curves, coal falls off. I may go coal hunting this summer.

Issachar

Jubilee21
May 13th, 2008, 06:48 PM
My mother in law used to say if "ifs and but's" were candy and nut's, what a wonderful world it would be!:)

But, if I had my choice with a way to set up a heating system in my home with a few hearths..I would make a bee line down to WV and grab some of that beautiful, black, very hard bituminous coal my Dad used to have brought to our home each winter, he would have a small truckload deliver it anddrop it off on our driveway and we would have to fill up the wheel barrels and haul it out in the back where he built a special box for it next to the wood pile

We used to harvest our own fire wood too from the woods around us.

I hate to admit how I whined about the task because it was so 'dirty' lol! but I wouldn't blink to have that type of capability to use both coal and wood as an alternative now, The first years of our marraige, that was the only heat we had.

Talk about a long, hot fire when a few large lumps or shovelfuls were added to the burning logs!! Thats how our elementary and HS were heated when I was there.

If there is any to be found from a train that loses some of that when it goes by..lol..I would make sure I invested some time looking for it today!!!

newbeliver
May 13th, 2008, 07:58 PM
We have a fireplace in our basement. The bedrooms are on the third floor. If things get bad we'll have to bed down there. If my husband would only open his eyes and see what's happening it would be much easier. I think he is starting to a bit but has a long way to go.

lilbitsyspider
May 14th, 2008, 04:40 PM
We have a fireplace in our basement. The bedrooms are on the third floor. If things get bad we'll have to bed down there. If my husband would only open his eyes and see what's happening it would be much easier. I think he is starting to a bit but has a long way to go.

Eye's will open, if things continue to get worse. I need to install a wind generator. Wonder how much that will cost me?

Jubilee21
May 15th, 2008, 07:37 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/5781041.html

Electricity retailer won't honor fixed-rate contracts
Move to raise prices prompts public complaints, inquiry by agency

National Power Co. has told customers it will no longer honor many of its existing long-term power contracts and will increase rates as much as 28 percent in the next 45 days. Customers say the company told them it is adjusting its rate of 11.9 cents per kilowatt hour to 15.3 cents because of higher wholesale power prices.

Notices of the change began arriving in customer mailboxes last week. Glenn Kruse, a Spring Branch homeowner who signed up with National last year for an 18-month, fixed-rate plan, said a customer service representative told him the company could change the plan based on the "material change" clause in its contract.







ouch!!!

Jubilee on Earth
May 15th, 2008, 08:55 PM
Wow! How did you do a quote-in-a-quote-in-a-quote???? That's cool!!!

(I'm easily amused...)

:kay