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BHW33
May 16th, 2008, 09:41 AM
Galations 2:6 As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message. 7On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles,[c] just as Peter had been to the Jews.[d] 8For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.

For all Catholics that claim Peter as thier first Pope. Paul in Galatians and throughout the New Testament makes it very clear that The Lord commissioned Paul to take the gospel to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jews. Being that Roman Cathohlicism is comprised of Gentiles it is impossible for Peter to be the 1st Pope.

This is in addition to the error of Catholicism on Matthew16:15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,[a] the Son of the living God."

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.[d]

"Jesus is the Christ" is the rock the church is built on, not Peter the man!

Here are two errors of Catolicism in a long list of many and we haven't even made it past the Peter/Pope issue. The Catholic church is clearly built on sand.

Tall Timbers
May 16th, 2008, 12:06 PM
For all Catholics that claim Peter as thier first Pope. Paul in Galatians and throughout the New Testament makes it very clear that The Lord commissioned Paul to take the gospel to the Gentiles and Peter to the Jews. Being that Roman Cathohlicism is comprised of Gentiles it is impossible for Peter to be the 1st Pope.

This is in addition to the error of Catholicism on Matthew16:15 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"

16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,[a] the Son of the living God."

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[b] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[c] will not overcome it.[d]

"Jesus is the Christ" is the rock the church is built on, not Peter the man!

Here are two errors of Catolicism in a long list of many and we haven't even made it past the Peter/Pope issue. The Catholic church is clearly built on sand.

Your second point is <Rock> solid. The first point is penetrable since the church is comprised of all who come to believe during the church age, jew and gentile alike. Even though the point is leaky, history indicates that while both Peter and Paul were likely in Rome at the end of their days, neither held the position of Bishop of Rome, which eventually became the seat of the Pope. So neither could be considered to have been the Pope.

Clouds
May 16th, 2008, 01:35 PM
Peter's response to Cornelius, who fell at Peter's feet and worshipped him, also contradicts the Church of Rome's understanding of who Peter was.

"But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man." (Acts 10:26)

Papists claim the pope to be the earthly embodiment of God Himself, which would make Peter to not understand this papal invention of "Vicar of Christ".
Why, Peter thinks he is only a man!
Poor Peter needed the wisdom of the Church of Rome to explain who he really was. We'll just have to write off that mistaken understanding as being "humble ignorance". After all, the Church of Rome did not exist at that time to make everything clear for everyone.

Speaking of the Church of Rome, who claims itself as the "Mother Church"; how can they call themselves the "Mother Church", when the Church of Jerusalem existed first? I always though it would be the right of the first church to be called the "mother church".

I'm sure they have a clear explanation for that contradiction also, but since I don't read Latin, it will have to remain a mystery for me.

HeIsEnough
May 17th, 2008, 08:35 AM
The first point is penetrable since the church is comprised of all who come to believe during the church age, jew and gentile alike.

:nod

Peter and Paul were tasked differently, but too many read "separation" into the equation, as if the Jerusalem church was different.

They were not different, they were the first. Considering who it was comprised of, all the disciples and the great heroes of our christian heritage, was used by the Lord to start and direct the Gentiles in their affairs, I would say this Jewish church is above any other in order and stature.

Peter was given the honor of the being the one who would be first in preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, but Paul was entrusted with being their Apostle. Which would mean that those in Rome would have looked to Paul for the message they were to receive. Paul was given the gospel that the church was to be ministered with. (Jew and Gentile alike) The RCC, it would seem, would have been more scriptural in claiming Paul, so the their whole premise about Peter is incorrect on many points.

Kliska
May 17th, 2008, 09:20 AM
And, throw in James. He was actually the head of the first organizational church; the church at Jerusalem. He presides over the council and makes the ultimate call (although I don't think Christ ever meant for the invisible church to be set up quite this way). James as the head makes cultural sense as he was the brother of Jesus.

BHW33
May 17th, 2008, 01:38 PM
I also find it interesting that when Jesus address's the 7 churches in Revelation that there is no mention of a church of Rome. Catholic's believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the one true church and if that were so you would think that Jesus would address his one true church

Tall Timbers
May 18th, 2008, 12:34 PM
I also find it interesting that when Jesus address's the 7 churches in Revelation that there is no mention of a church of Rome. Catholic's believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the one true church and if that were so you would think that Jesus would address his one true church

Fruchtenbaum attributes Thyatira to the catholic church.

Blood Bought
May 18th, 2008, 01:26 PM
As I understand it, the Greek word for Peter is 'petros', meaning 'pebble'. Quite different from being "the Rock".

Miss Molly
June 4th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Speaking of the Church of Rome, who claims itself as the "Mother Church"; how can they call themselves the "Mother Church", when the Church of Jerusalem existed first? I always though it would be the right of the first church to be called the "mother church".

If I remember Catholic teaching they see themselves as the first, the original of all the Christian denominations. Every other christian church is a spinoff and is currently apostate. Their dream has always been to unite all christian churches, and bring them back into the fold so to speak, under the RCC leadership.

My answer to their right to the title of "Mother Church" is to simply agree that they have indeed been around a long time. Why, their roots go all the way back to Babylon! Most of the time, they don't have a clue what I'm talking about...

Hootmon
June 4th, 2008, 09:58 AM
Speaking of the Church of Rome, who claims itself as the "Mother Church"; how can they call themselves the "Mother Church", when the Church of Jerusalem existed first? I always though it would be the right of the first church to be called the "mother church". Its becoming increasingly more the 'Mother Church' at the expense of the Son...