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Sing4Him
May 16th, 2008, 05:03 PM
THOMAS MERTON UNTOUCHED BY SIN


Then it was as if I suddenly saw the secret beauty of their hearts, the depths of their hearts where neither sin nor desire nor self-knowledge can reach, the core of their reality, the person that each one is in God’s eyes. If only they could see themselves as they really are. If only we could see each other that way all the time. There would be no more war, no more hatred, no more cruelty, no more greed....I suppose the big problem would be that we would fall down and worship each other. But this cannot be seen, only believed and “understood” by a peculiar gift.
Again, that expression, le point vierge, (I cannot translate it) comes in here. At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes of our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us. It is so to speak His name written is us, as our poverty, as our indigence, as our dependence, as our sonship. It is like a pure diamond, blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billion points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely….I have no program for this seeing. It is only given. But the gate of heaven is everywhere.
Thomas Merton, (Conjectures Of A Guilty Bystander, 158, bold added)

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/05/thomas_merton_u.html

icebear
May 16th, 2008, 05:07 PM
thats rather ....strange....

BLESSED BEYOND BELIEF
May 16th, 2008, 05:39 PM
Sing, I have read this three times and it just sounds like more catholic mysticism.. It really doesn't make any sense.:scratch

FaithContender
May 16th, 2008, 07:09 PM
THOMAS MERTON UNTOUCHED BY SIN


Then it was as if I suddenly saw the secret beauty of their hearts, the depths of their hearts where neither sin nor desire nor self-knowledge can reach, the core of their reality, the person that each one is in God’s eyes. If only they could see themselves as they really are. If only we could see each other that way all the time. There would be no more war, no more hatred, no more cruelty, no more greed....I suppose the big problem would be that we would fall down and worship each other. But this cannot be seen, only believed and “understood” by a peculiar gift.
Again, that expression, le point vierge, (I cannot translate it) comes in here. At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes of our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us. It is so to speak His name written is us, as our poverty, as our indigence, as our dependence, as our sonship. It is like a pure diamond, blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billion points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely….I have no program for this seeing. It is only given. But the gate of heaven is everywhere.
Thomas Merton, (Conjectures Of A Guilty Bystander, 158, bold added)

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/05/thomas_merton_u.html
:snake:puke

dramama
May 16th, 2008, 07:18 PM
this world is getting so absurd......

Final Trumpet
May 16th, 2008, 08:06 PM
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

iSong6:3
May 17th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Yet another example of the danger of mysticism and personal *feelings* - yikes.

As opposed to the Bible, which tells us that at our true core, we are sinners and in need of the reconciliation to God for which Jesus died.

Blood Bought
May 17th, 2008, 01:41 PM
It seems like there's more sin in my life than before I was saved. Of course, that's due to the realization and recognition of what sin is. Oh, how vile we are apart from Jesus Christ. This man needs to repent.

iSong6:3
May 18th, 2008, 11:35 PM
This man needs to repent.

I hope he did before he died in 1968. His books are still iconic in mystic circles, though... :tsk

Buzzardhut
May 18th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Thomas Merton (http://www.trinitystores.com/?detail=69&artist=1) wrote prophetically from his monastic seclusion for over 25 years. He spoke on subjects as varied as prayer, racial relations, non-violence, and art. Loving truth, he exposed falsehood wherever he found it. He pointed a way for Western Christians in this time of profound cultural change.

While never ceasing to be a Christian monk, he was entirely at home in Asian experience. He practiced Zen because he felt it enabled Western people to go beyond their tendency to analyze God, to reduce God to an "object." Experience, not analysis, is the path of God. "This obsession with doctrinal formulas, juridical order and ritual exactitude," he wrote, "has often made people forget that the heart of Catholicism, too, is a living experience of unity in Christ which far transcends all conceptual formulations." As Byzantine Christians would say, theology must be done on one’s knees.

Both Buddhist and Christian symbolism are combined in this icon, to express the way Merton reconciled the two spiritual traditions in his own life. His raised right hand represents "fear not", and his left calls upon the earth to bear witness that he has overcome temptation. The Greek inscription by his head reads "Holy Thomas." He wears the Cistercian cowl.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/crinie123/merton.jpg