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Barachem
June 12th, 2008, 09:10 AM
ill answerr you with science as you are in great error

The Schumann resonances (SR) are a set of spectrum peaks in the extremely low frequency (ELF) portion of the Earth's electromagnetic field spectrum. Schumann resonances are global electromagnetic resonances, excited by lightning discharges in the cavity formed by the Earth surface and the ionosphere.

This global electromagnetic resonance phenomenon is named after physicist Winfried Otto Schumann who predicted it mathematically in 1952. Schumann resonance occurs because the space between the surface of the Earth and the conductive ionosphere acts as a waveguide. The limited dimensions of the Earth cause this waveguide to act as a resonant cavity for electromagnetic waves in the ELF band. The cavity is naturally excited by energy from lightning strikes. Schumann resonance modes are observed in the power spectra of the natural electromagnetic background noise, as separate peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.8, 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.

The fundamental mode of the Schumann resonance is a standing wave in the Earth-ionosphere cavity with a wavelength equal to the circumference of the Earth. This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 7.8 Hz. Further resonance modes appear at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals, a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The eighth overtone lies at approximately 59.9 Hz.

Schumann resonances are used to track global lightning activity. Owing to the connection between lightning activity and the Earth's climate they can also be used to monitor global temperature variations and variations of upper water vapor. Extraterrestrial lightning may also be detected and studied with Schumann resonances. Schumann resonances have been used for research and monitoring of the lower ionosphere on Earth and was suggested for exploration of lower ionosphere parameters on celestial bodies. Schumann resonances can be used to track geomagnetic and ionospheric disturbances. More recently, Schumann resonances have been used for monitoring transient luminous events – sprites, elves, jets, and other upper-atmospheric lightning. A new field of interest using Schumann resonances is related to short-term earthquake prediction.

Good research up until here, i cannot say this is not scientifically sound.
But your rebuttal misses the point i made, namely you posting new age rethoric as fact.


Schumann resonances have gone beyond the boundaries of physics, invading medicine, raising interest in artists and musicians, and gaining interest from fringe fields such as psychobiology.

This is what i have a problem with...
And the following, which i requote, is NOT science, but just facts accompanied by new age mumbo jumbo...


Another change that Norwegian, Russian and American researchers, Gregg Braden among them, author of the book “Awakening to Zero Point”, are pointing out is a decrease in the spinning velocity of the Earth, while recognizing that its basic frequency, or “beat”, called Schumann Resonance is dramatically increasing.


For thousands of years the Earth has had this pulsation frequency and life has developed in a relative ecological balance. However, in the 80s, and more acutely from the 90s, the frequency went up from 7,83 to almost 12 hertz, and it’s still increasing. This provoked that the friction mechanism of the nucleus and the magma in the centre of the Earth triggered and the environment began to change: climatic disturbances, greater volcano activities, growth of tensions and conflicts around the world and a general increase of atypical and erratic behaviours in persons, among other changes.


If the Earth would stop its spinning and the frequency of the resonance would reach 13 cycles, we would be in the magnetic field of Zero Point, which is the maximal cycle of Schumann’s scale.


Some researchers state that while we approximate to Zero Point time seems to be accelerating itself, that is, days seem shorter, weeks and months seem to elapse faster, that our DNA is changing from 2 to 12 chains, and we are becoming more intuitive


The Mayas set the birth of the “Fifth Sun” –for them our current cycle- on August 11th of the year 3113 before our era, end which will arrive in 2012 of our era. For them the Era of Water would had ended with the Deluge, the subsequent era with a rain of fire, and ours, called “Era of Movement”, will end with violent earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and devastating storms.

The first two of these are filled with scientific facts, but also have some speculation as to some shift occurring in the future.
And the last three are just the normal new age blatherings i have read about often enough.

Here's a link to an atheist review of that book by Gregg Braden, “Awakening to Zero Point”: http://www.skepticreport.com/newage/bookbraden.htm
That guy, while being an atheist, even tells of the new age mumbo jumbo in Braden's book.
Googling has found me more new age blathering sites, quite nice and nifty, but it's total steer droppings.

And the Schumann Resonance of 7.8 Hertz is NOT increasing as it's coupled to the circumference of the earth and is equal to amount of times radio waves circle the earth and this does NOT change either. :doh

I'm disappointed, lighthouse...
You should know and discern better. :ohno

Edit: With regards to what you posted from the main site...
Even though it's from the soap box, it combines biblical truth with man-made prophecies.
It does quote extra-biblical sources, but holds stead-fast to the biblical account.
It even dismisses the date you are trying to push and also dismisses man-made theories over biblical doctrine, as it should.
I'm quite interested why you push such man-made and new age theories and use the bible to support them?

So, should i now turn to Nostradamus or the quran to augment bible prophecy?
I think not.

Not applicable anymore.

I will leave it at that, because i'm sure you will not admit that what you are trying to present here does not have a sound biblical nor scientific foundation.

lighthouse
June 12th, 2008, 09:24 AM
Schumann resonances
this is science
not fiction
you are not a scientist please stop hijacking my thread and start your own
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/q768.html

from nasa
but be careful nasa thinks the earth os billions of years old
horrors!

What is a Schumann Resonance?
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Believe it or not, the Earth behaves like an enormous electric circuit. The atmosphere is actually a weak conductor and if there were no sources of charge, its existing electric charge would diffuse away in about 10 minutes. There is a 'cavity 'defined by the surface of the Earth and the inner edge of the ionosphere 55 kilometers up. At any moment, the total charge residing in this cavity is 500,000 Coulombs. There is a vertical current flow between the ground and the ionosphere of 1 - 3 x 10^-12 Amperes per square meter. The resistance of the atmosphere is 200 Ohms. The voltage potential is 200,000 Volts. There are about 1000 lightning storms at any given moment worldwide. Each produces 0.5 to 1 Ampere and these collectively account for the measured current flow in the Earth's 'electromagnetic' cavity.

The Schumann Resonances are quasi standing wave electromagnetic waves that exist in this cavity. Like waves on a spring, they are not present all the time, but have to be 'excited' to be observed. They are not caused by anything internal to the Earth, its crust or its core. They seem to be related to electrical activity in the atmosphere, particularly during times of intense lightning activity. They occur at several frequencies between 6 and 50 cycles per second; specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz, with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz. So long as the properties of Earth's electromagnetic cavity remains about the same, these frequencies remain the same. Presumably there is some change due to the solar sunspot cycle as the Earth's ionosphere changes in response to the 11-year cycle of solar activity. Schumann resonances are most easily seen between 2000 and 2200 UT.

Given that the earth's atmosphere carries a charge, a current and a voltage, it is not surprising to find such electromagnetic waves. The resonant properties of this terrestrial cavity were first predicted by the German physicist W. O. Schumann between 1952 and 1957, and first detected by Schumann and Konig in 1954. The first spectral representation of this phenomenon was prepared by Balser and Wagner in 1960. Much of the research in the last 20 years has been conducted by the Department of the Navy who investigate Extremely Low Frequency communication with submarines.

For more information, see:

"Handbook of Atmospheric Electrodynamics, vol. I", by Hans Volland, 1995

Barachem
June 12th, 2008, 09:35 AM
I am not disputing the scientifically proven fact that there are Schumann resonances!

Read my previous post again and read about what i respond to what i quote first.
I'll quote it for convenience:

Good research up until here, i cannot say this is not scientifically sound.
Double negative means a positive, i'm admitting it is scientifically sound with regards to Schumann resonances.

I am disputing the new age theories you have been proposing in several of your posts that talk about a paradigm and physical shift based upon the Mayan calendar and the nonsensical New Age spoutings by Gregg Braden.
That's what i'm dismissive of and responding to here.
I am not trying to hi-jack your thread, i am trying to show the grave error in what you try to teach other than scientific facts.

lighthouse
June 12th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Monthly suicide rates in a New Zealand city, Christchurch, are found to have a highly significant adaptive homeostatic relationship to the monthly sunspot number. A reasonable scientific question is ?how can sunspots on the sun cause suicide on the earth?? The answer to the question is ?through the Schumann Resonance signal which is modulated by the solar activity and is detected by the human brain and modulates the Melatonin output, which is related to serious depression and suicide.? The Schumann Resonance signal provides a homeostatic control of brain activity. Therefore increased and decreased Schumann Resonance intensity, produced by increased and decreased solar activity, is shown to produce homeostatic relationships with cancer, cardiac, reproductive and neurological disease and mortality rates, including anxiety, depression and suicide. This study has found significant homeostatic relationships between the monthly mean sunspot number and the suicide rates in Christchurch, New Zealand. An adaptive response appears from high, middle, low and very low solar activity over the 11-year sunspot cycle from 1988 to 1998.

http://www.neilcherry.com/cart/?mode=show_product&productid=35&catid=2&select_currency=USD

lighthouse
June 12th, 2008, 11:10 AM
http://www.gaiaresonance.com/Psychobiology.html

MEASURING CHANGES IN SCHUMANN WAVES



Earth's background base frequency, or heartbeat" (Schumann Waves) varies between geographical regions. For decades the overall measurement was 7.8 cycles per second. This was once thought to be a constant. Global military communications were developed using this frequency. However, recent reports set the rate at over 11 cycles and climbing.






Presumably there is some change due to the solar sunspot cycle, as the Earth's ionosphere changes in response to flares and mass ejections during the 11-year cycle of solar activity. High-energy charges coming off the Sun brush across the upper atmosphere, ionizing there.





. The amplitude (i.e., intensity) of the Schumann's resonances is not constant, and appears to be extremely dependent upon tropical (and hence global) temperature. Indeed, preliminary results seem to indicate that a mere one-degree increase in temperature correlates with a doubling of the Schumann Resonance. This could not be more significant, as it is unknown what psychobiological effect these fluctuations could have on humans.

Barachem
June 12th, 2008, 11:53 AM
Link to a scientific article: http://www.oa.uj.edu.pl/konferencje/2004dwerniczek/prezentacje/Jurij.Maltsev/maltsev_bieszczady.pdf

According to that article the Schumann frequency increases for gamaa-ray bursts, but hasn't significantly increased up until 2001.

http://www.ncedc.org/ncedc/em.intro.html

Data up to 2003, suggesting a top of 8 Hertz.

Now to http://www.gaiaresonance.com/Psychobiology.html:
As far as i know i haven't found any SCIENTIFIC articles suggesting a significant and lasting increase of the fundamental Schumann resonance frequency.
The article you quote from mentions recent reports, but it does not have any references to those recent reports and i couldn't find any myself.
Secondly, the big change contradicts normal scientific facts.
The earth hasn't shrunk, nor has the light speed gone up, any of those changes necessary for the fundamental Schumann resonance frequency to increase.
Doubling of Schumann resonance?
I suppose they mean amplitude and even then i'm very sceptical, because that's huge.

The site itself is totally new age and the article has no references, no nothing.
Furthermore, i could only find some real Schumann resonance frequency scientific articles on the net, the rest is just new age websites trying to cash in on the Schumann resonances.

Regarding your former response and the article you link there: Still looking things up...

Sorry to disappoint you, but i'm not buying the increase in fundamental Schumann resonance frequency from 7.8 Hertz to about 11 or 12 Hertz and the culmination in December 2012 and all kinds of weird and vague consequences.
It's not focused on Jesus Christ, nor does it gives credit to Him too.
I'm sticking to the bible only and admire God for the beauty of Schumann resonance.

Barachem
June 12th, 2008, 12:19 PM
And here is the final proof of what the Schumann resonance frequencies are nowadays:

http://www.vlf.it/livedata.html

And read this too: http://www.vlf.it/Schumann/schumann.htm

This means that the frequency changes mentioned in http://www.neilcherry.com/cart/?mode...t_currency=USD are relatively small.

Furthermore: Therefore increased and decreased Schumann Resonance intensity, produced by increased and decreased solar activity, is shown to produce homeostatic relationships with cancer, cardiac, reproductive and neurological disease and mortality rates, including anxiety, depression and suicide.

Intensity is not frequency.
For sound it is that increase in intensity just means a louder sound and that increase in frequency means a higher pitching of the sound.

The theory of long lasting increase of the fundamental Schumann resonance frequency, which is not backed up by scientific research or data, is thus debunked as new age nonsense.

Ready2Fly08
June 12th, 2008, 01:09 PM
http://www.gaiaresonance.com/Psychobiology.html

MEASURING CHANGES IN SCHUMANN WAVES



Earth's background base frequency, or heartbeat" (Schumann Waves) varies between geographical regions. For decades the overall measurement was 7.8 cycles per second. This was once thought to be a constant. Global military communications were developed using this frequency. However, recent reports set the rate at over 11 cycles and climbing.






Presumably there is some change due to the solar sunspot cycle, as the Earth's ionosphere changes in response to flares and mass ejections during the 11-year cycle of solar activity. High-energy charges coming off the Sun brush across the upper atmosphere, ionizing there.





. The amplitude (i.e., intensity) of the Schumann's resonances is not constant, and appears to be extremely dependent upon tropical (and hence global) temperature. Indeed, preliminary results seem to indicate that a mere one-degree increase in temperature correlates with a doubling of the Schumann Resonance. This could not be more significant, as it is unknown what psychobiological effect these fluctuations could have on humans.

Lighthouse, thanks for trusting that we can discern information without somehow reverting back to the "ways of the Mayans". Do keep posting as the information is very helpful.

The good news is that we will always measure info against the Word of God...but then, you've made that pretty evident from these posts and your past posts.

Just wanted you to know that your information is appreciated!:thumb

LookingUplinda
June 13th, 2008, 11:49 AM
JVI Ministries did a 5 week study of what he found on how interesting it was that all he read about the Mayan calandar. It is known to be a extremely precise calandar, he(JVI-Jack VanImpe)said what they predicted does seem as tho it is lining up biblicaly with the possible time of the rapture. Could it be that since little is known about these societies, including many others in our world(dah, how'd they build the pyramids?)Could it be that those societies were of those bred with the fallen angels, there fore some of the(fallen angels) at one time had access to God, knowing some of the things of heaven(so as to know how to build those pyramids). Just a question I have, I know I've posted about this 5 week study by JVI before, it was very interesting what he found, and isn't he a reputable guy? I believe so, been watching him for 10 years. I haven't seen that special he did for about 7 months or so. Just wondering if anyone else saw that? And lots going on in my recovery from brain tumor, just really curious if anyone saw this 5 week special he did.(new at computer and RR, so hope this isn't out of place)thanks.........

lighthouse
June 14th, 2008, 05:51 AM
i am glad you are feeling better

no i and others oftened wondered where these people got their info from
as an example we could not duplicate that calender until the computer age
yet these so called ancients where way ahead of us
my personal theory is that info is preflood

and humans when they lose the very thin veneer of civilaztion
devolve
go backward
there is no way that i can believe a bunch of savages who sacrificed people
actually made that calendar
the people who made that calendar also invented the concept of zero

the calendar is based on the solar activity of the sun
and it is right on
very scientific

but why were they worried about the solar activity flares etc
the bible is very clear that God will indeed give the sun power to scorch men
nova?
but a solar flare could do this as well
polar shift?
we will see
not i have not watched jvi in a long time
but as the article i posted from our main site said



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This apocalyptic date of December 21, 2012 is also supposedly found in Hopi myths, the I-Ching, Aztec writings, Egyptian hieroglyphs, Roman Oracles, writing of Seneca Elders, the chief Shaman of the Cherokee Tribe in NC, and even the writings of Nostradamus, The Russian mathematician Sergey Smelyakov of Khartov University taking the constant Phi (1.6180339), the so called Golden Mean or the Fibonacci sequence, and applying it to solar activity and planetary orbits, found that everything seemed to spiral in on itself on December 21, 2012 implying a time implosion or point of bifurcation.



The planet Venus is set to make a transit across the face of the sun on December 21, 2012 which happens very infrequently. It did happen recently, however, on June 8, 2004 which means it will happen again in eight years which is very unusual but predicted by the Mayans.



I cannot tell you for certain that the earth will be consumed by fire in 2012 or that there will be a polar shift or severe earthquakes, but I can tell you with certainty that one day in the not too distant future it will be consumed by fire and experience a polar shift and severe earthquakes. I can say that because the word of God says so and it did beginning over 2700 years ago, long before the Mayans or the Aztecs or the Hopi or the Seneca or the I-Ching or Nostradamus.