National Suicide

[professor h]

Quote of the Century:

"The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."

I'm writing that down....oh the irony.

[JohnnyHye]

Yeah, as someone who voted against Bush twice who is married to someone who voted FOR Bush twice (you can only imagine the tension the last two elections caused in our home:gaah), I've had to bite my tongue a lot lately when I hear my wife (again, she voted for him twice) talk about what a terrible president he is....

Better to take the high road in my situation....:cool::chatter

For the record, my reasons for voting against him have nothing to do with religion. I just have a simple rule that I'd never vote for anyone I could beat at Scrabble.

LOL, good choice, taking the high road. Luckily for me, I don't have to :lol2 What bothers me is how my friend's memory is so selective - he simply can't remember being "THAT much of a Bush supporter". Of course he still has the outline of his "W" sticker on his bumper...

By the way, I don't vote against him for religion reasons either. And also for the record, most Christians I know have voted against him, while my only two friends who are atheist and agnostic (including the one I mentioned above, with the poor memory) are staunch conservative supporters of Bush. I don't think people realize just how big of an atheist voting base the conservatives have...

[tom_roberts]

In case your wondering if I am being an alarmist check this out, seems as if GWB is busy giving away other countries too.

While the war between the Serbs and Kosovans is RELIGIOUS in nature (Christian vs Muslim) there is Bush being applauded ( By the Muslims)....

Mind you I voted for GW in both elections and even gave money to support his litigation in the first election but, this man has "LOST HIS MIND"\\

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/11/bush.europe/index.html

GOD saves ...


This man claims muslims can go to heaven
he was a lier and a fraud from the beginning

and i am sad to say i voted for him too:gaah

[Dandercat]

If you want to know the root cause of this nightmare, just Google

1965 immigration disaster

[The Learner]

Both political parties are taking this country to hell in a handbasket. Its just that one party is taking us to hell in a F-16, and the other in a freight train.

I don't fully blame the voters, we generally only have two choices in national elections. Sure we could vote for Nader or one of the other 19 candidates that have no chance of winning, but how can you vote for someone whose platform you don't know.

The problem is the politicians of both parties. I posted some links up here in another thread, I will have to find them again. Many of you proud Democrats or proud Republicans may be surprised to find out that the same people generally fund the elections of opposing candidates.

Unless we have meaningful election reform in this country we will basically still be in the same boat that we are in. Picking from 2 candidates who are both being funded by the world of big business and special interest. Unfortunately we will not see meaningful election reform because the two party system has no desire to change the status quo.

Wake up your party sucks too. I stopped believing in partisan politics years ago.

[Wyatt]

As a life-long Republican and one who was very active at the grass roots level (serving as Republican Party Chairman, First Vice Chairman and de facto attorney), I have come to the sad conclusion that the party I supported as a young man is no longer a party that I can continue to support. I am a "Reagan conservative" and while I could never become a card-carrying Democrat (due primarily to their stand on virtually every issue that comes to mind), I am now entertaining the thought of registering as an Independent. Unfortunatelly, that means you have no party but I don't seem to have one at this time anyway. I chewed out a fund-raiser from the Republican Party the othe rnight and then hung up on her. I think I will call my Republican Senator tomorrow (Pete Domenici) and let his office know that I will not support him again due to his stand on this so-called immigration bill. I will continue to try to vote for people who I think will make good representatives of the people but I cannot support either national party, either monetarily or otherwise. Now, with my despression setting in after writing this, I think I will go e-mail my elected officials just to blow off some steam. Oh yeah, btw, I think our only hope is the Rapture. I look forward to the day when I can live under a benevolent monarchy.

[igirocks]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/18/80207.shtml?s=ic

Excerpt: "The illegal alien problem is a mechanism for leveraging what is yet to come," Daneen Peterson, a researcher who studies the North American Union issue, said at the small rally, which drew about 40 protesters.

"Once the civil unrest and chaos caused by the overwhelming human tsunami of illegal aliens and MS-13 gang members reduces America to complete anarchy ... the federal government will institute martial law," Peterson said.

WHY else would there be no teeth for securing the borders or ensuring who enters into our country? THE POINT IS THEY DON'T CARE!!!!!

this is being crafted out and now being un-spun before the USA citizens eyes. IMHO = The Dems and Reps have already crafted a new government with Canada and Mexico and with them assisting with National Suicide, they in return will be rewarded or their families will be. BE NOT DECEIVED.

[StarryEyedLad]

I can see why closer ties and cooperation with both Canada and Mexico is a good thing, necessary even. But this is not even close to what is being proposed.

I could even see where merger with Canada would be good for both the US and Canada, as long as our system of law and government were instituted there (otherwise I don't think we'd go for it). We and our northern neighbors have much in common, and our differences, I believe, could be pretty easily overcome.

Quebec is one matter that comes to mind. This province has an overwhelming majority of French-speaking citizens, as opposed to the other provinces, which have an English-speaking majority. This has caused some problems, but it has been that way for centuries, and it has worked despite its problems. If the US and Canada merged, the bilingual policies that allow Quebec to retain its individuality among the other provinces could simply be left in place.

Quebec has voted in the past on the idea of independence from Canada, but has never had enough votes to do it. I have read somewhere before that if such an event were to take place, that it would be in the best interest of at least the Maritime provinces (New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island) to seek out a union with the US. Ontario and British Columbia would make very productive members of a Canada/US merger. And all the other provinces and territories of Canada would bring vast amounts of valuable natural resources and land space to a union.

But Mexico? With all of its problems and the thousands of people who are trying to leave there and come here EVERY SINGLE DAY? No more borders? Mexico would become an abandoned desert, as millions would flock to the US and Canada in search of a better day-to-day existence. Theoretically, a union would improve the standard of living in Mexico, but it can't if NOBODY'S going to be there!

Closer ties and greater cooperation with Canada and Mexico is definitely in our best interest. But the NAU is a BAD idea, flat-out. Unfortunately, we are not being given a choice. No amount of protest will stop this.
This is one more step toward the One World Government of the AC.

Oh, and those chips we've heard so much about, they'll come in really handy when there are millions of new citizens to keep track of in this union, and when we are raptured out of here, everyone will line up to get one so that they can be tracked and "protected' from disappearing like all those nutty Christians did.

Think it can't happen? I guess time will tell the story of what's to come-not us.

[CelticMist]

From what I've gotten about Quebec, they have enough now in Parliament to vote and break away from Canada. Last time Quebec voted they missed it by 1% of gaining their own independence. They want to fall under France, not England. They would want Canada (rest of) to help aid with everything they are receiving now as a Province of the country. Also, other Provinces have spoken out that if Quebec breaks away, they will follow and make their Province a "tiny country". The Maritime Provinces don't want any thing to do with the United States of America, at least not the folks I know from there.

Here's the most recent news on Quebec: http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2006/1128/breaking20.htm

I agree with everything starryeyed has said in regards to the chip and how it will come in to the playing field.

[StarryEyedLad]

Celticmist138

Thank you for the link to that article. It was very illuminating on the present status of Quebec versus the rest of Canada. It made me do a little digging, and I found Wikipedia's article on Quebec had some interesting things to say about the whole Quebec drive toward independence over the years. I didn't realize that the last vote had been so close! As a mostly French society, I guess I can understand why they want out from under England's thumb. We did in America, too, and we were mostly British at the time we did it! (1776)

As for the rest of Canada, wow! They all want to become independent countries? That's fascinating. Is that what you were saying? I also can see where the Maritimes want nothing to do with the US: they all have extensive histories, going way back, and are very protective of their own interests and their unique heritage. And I understand that feeling; it's perfectly reasonable. I wish I could remember where I read the idea of their seeking to join the US if Quebec broke away would be in their best interest, but I can't . This is all very interesting!

And thanks for the vote of confidence about the chips. I know some people really think it'll never happen, and all they seem to do is this:
:ostrich