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Sing4Him
June 3rd, 2008, 04:52 PM
Mr. Warren, the Glory Goes to Christ Alone

At a wedding the bride is the main character, the center, the start of the show – everyone else is supporting cast, but the glory goes to the bride/ …The Bride of Christ – of which the church is its local expression around the world – deserves the focus, the credit and the glory for faithfully serving their communities year after year.
– Rick Warren

Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily recently posted a column regarding the above statement by Rick Warren. In his column, Farah concludes that the church really does not deserve the glory; all the glory should go to Christ. In his own defense, Mr. Warren responded with a piece that mangled and twisted Scripture– something that Warren excells at.

I have never seen a man abuse God’s Word so flagrantly. Either Mr. Warren does not understand basic English, let alone Greek and Hebrew, or he has no qualms about twisting God’s word to suit his purposes. If a verse does not say what Warren wants it to say, he will dig up a translation or paraphrase that says it in a way that suits him. To him, the Bible is not the sole authority for life and godliness, but it is rather a tool to manipulated and used to achieve his own personal agenda.

In regards to Mr. Warren’s desire that the glory be focused on the local church, I am compelled to wonder if he has ever read what Jesus said in Luke 17:7-10:

“And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”

It is evident that Rick Warren doesn’t consider himself an unprofitable servant, but rather desires glory and thanks for all that he is doing to impact the world. Indeed, Warren unquestionably wields a vast influence, but I assure you he is on his own. God’s not in it. God’s not in it because He does not share his glory with Saddleback, Rick Warren, or anyone else. God himself said this in Psalm 42:8, “I am the LORD, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another….” God doesn’t change his mind, either.

As believers endeavoring to serve God, we should look for no reward, no glory, and no thanks. God does not smile upon those who are self-seeking and proud. Rather, he gives His grace to the lowly and humble; to those who fear Him and obey Him. “Thus says the LORD: heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? For all those things My hand has made…but on this one will I look: on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word.” This is encouraging to those of us who realize that we are nothing, that we are weak, and that we can do nothing of value if God is not in it. God does not need us or our programs, our peace plans, our books, or anything else we have to offer– the whole universe belongs to Him. As one a godly man once said, He could raise up rocks to do what we do, and do it better. God forbid that we should desire share in God’s glory, as it was for this sin that the devil was cast from heaven. Let us then be content to be nothing, to be unworthy servants, to never be recognized or thanked. Let all our work be to the end that the Lamb may receive the reward of His suffering.

—Samuel L. Guzman
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=831

ChristianGal
June 3rd, 2008, 06:38 PM
Well said!

My husband and I caught Joel Olsteen on TV a few days ago and we both agree that people like Rick Warren and Joel Olsteen are in for a not so nice surprise when they meet God face to face.

I often wonder if preachers/teachers like Rick Warren, Joel Olsteen and others like them even really believe in God and the Bible. I sure do and I would be terrified of God's judgement if I were to teach what they teach!

billiefan2000
June 3rd, 2008, 06:39 PM
great article sing4him



2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



What prophecy is currently being fulfilled? (for sure Apostasy)



[YOU TUBE VIDEO]hB7fz8LrzYk[/YOU TUBE VIDEO]

susanb
June 3rd, 2008, 07:35 PM
Check out what Warren says in point #6 of his email http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65944 :

The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

What blatant disregard for God and His Word!

ZeldaCA
June 3rd, 2008, 07:54 PM
Mr. Warren, the Glory Goes to Christ Alone

At a wedding the bride is the main character, the center, the start of the show – everyone else is supporting cast, but the glory goes to the bride/ …The Bride of Christ – of which the church is its local expression around the world – deserves the focus, the credit and the glory for faithfully serving their communities year after year.
– Rick Warren

Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily recently posted a column regarding the above statement by Rick Warren. In his column, Farah concludes that the church really does not deserve the glory; all the glory should go to Christ. In his own defense, Mr. Warren responded with a piece that mangled and twisted Scripture– something that Warren excells at.

I have never seen a man abuse God’s Word so flagrantly. Either Mr. Warren does not understand basic English, let alone Greek and Hebrew, or he has no qualms about twisting God’s word to suit his purposes. If a verse does not say what Warren wants it to say, he will dig up a translation or paraphrase that says it in a way that suits him. To him, the Bible is not the sole authority for life and godliness, but it is rather a tool to manipulated and used to achieve his own personal agenda.

In regards to Mr. Warren’s desire that the glory be focused on the local church, I am compelled to wonder if he has ever read what Jesus said in Luke 17:7-10:

“And which of you, having a servant plowing or tending sheep, will say to him when he has come in from the field, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’? But will he not rather say to him, ‘Prepare something for my supper, and gird yourself and serve me till I have eaten and drunk, and afterward you will eat and drink’? Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. So likewise you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say, ‘We are unprofitable servants. We have done what was our duty to do.’”

It is evident that Rick Warren doesn’t consider himself an unprofitable servant, but rather desires glory and thanks for all that he is doing to impact the world. Indeed, Warren unquestionably wields a vast influence, but I assure you he is on his own. God’s not in it. God’s not in it because He does not share his glory with Saddleback, Rick Warren, or anyone else. God himself said this in Psalm 42:8, “I am the LORD, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another….” God doesn’t change his mind, either.

As believers endeavoring to serve God, we should look for no reward, no glory, and no thanks. God does not smile upon those who are self-seeking and proud. Rather, he gives His grace to the lowly and humble; to those who fear Him and obey Him. “Thus says the LORD: heaven is My throne, and earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? For all those things My hand has made…but on this one will I look: on him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word.” This is encouraging to those of us who realize that we are nothing, that we are weak, and that we can do nothing of value if God is not in it. God does not need us or our programs, our peace plans, our books, or anything else we have to offer– the whole universe belongs to Him. As one a godly man once said, He could raise up rocks to do what we do, and do it better. God forbid that we should desire share in God’s glory, as it was for this sin that the devil was cast from heaven. Let us then be content to be nothing, to be unworthy servants, to never be recognized or thanked. Let all our work be to the end that the Lamb may receive the reward of His suffering.

—Samuel L. Guzman
http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=831

It sounds as if he thinks that even in the face of meeting our glorious and incredible God and Savior at the marrriage supper of the lamb, that WE should be the center of attention!?!?!

I hope that's not really what he meant, but I don't know how else to take it. :ohno

His Bride
June 3rd, 2008, 08:31 PM
Last I checked, the center of the wedding is the groom who comes for His beloved bride.

Lynn
June 4th, 2008, 08:46 AM
Thanks, Sing, for this great article on R. Warren's latest foolishness. There are a couple of people whom I see each week who are big fans of R. Warren, and I printed off a copy of J. Farah's article for each of them. Hope they can see what this man is for real.

imfree
June 4th, 2008, 09:09 AM
Last I checked, the center of the wedding is the groom who comes for His beloved bride.

EXACTLY!! Warren's example of how the bride is the center of attention at a wedding is decidedly a very WESTERN thing. DUH!!!! That certainly was NOT the case in biblical times where at a Jewish wedding the groom was the important figure.

I read his little rant on WND and was absolutely flabbergasted at the blatant twisting of God's precious word. :tsk I pray he wakes up.

imfree
June 4th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Thanks, Sing, for this great article on R. Warren's latest foolishness. There are a couple of people whom I see each week who are big fans of R. Warren, and I printed off a copy of J. Farah's article for each of them. Hope they can see what this man is for real.

Sigh....my brother in law goes to Saddleback. He literally worships the ground Warren walks on. There's no talking to him about Warren. :ohno

Gabby
June 4th, 2008, 10:19 AM
At a wedding the bride is the main character, the center, the start of the show – everyone else is supporting cast, but the glory goes to the bride/ …The Bride of Christ – of which the church is its local expression around the world – deserves the focus, the credit and the glory for faithfully serving their communities year after year.
– Rick Warren

This is the problem with a social gospel. They 'serve their communities' instead of serving Jehovah God. Instead of bringing in the Word and letting it grow and prosper within the community, they bring in good works. Good works are fine ~ they are the result of being born again, but they should never take precedence over the Holy Word of God. God's Word changes lives and brings salvation...this social gospel brings temporary help and is a breeding ground for Satan to choke the Word because it's never taken root and dug in deep.