Gay Activists Headed for the Churches

[KBKMNN]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2008/06/02/the_gay_activists_are_headed_for_the_churches?page =1

The next two Sundays, a coalition of radical gay groups comprised of SoulForce, The National Black Justice Coalition, and Equality Riders have coerced two of the nation’s most influential leaders into a closed-door showdown. Two of these groups (Soulforce and Equality Riders) are known for civil disobedience - even getting arrested in the name of GLBT justice. Bill Hybels at Willow Creek Community Church and Rick Warren at Saddleback Community Church will meet with these folks on June 8 and 15, respectively. Although Hybels and Warren will undoubtedly defend the faith boldly, SoulForce and company have set up a symbolic media campaign designed to suggest that conservative churches are bending on their gay relationships and marriage prohibitions.

More at above link..

I sent this article in because it's preposterous! Read the whole thing. They think that Hybels and Warren are actually going to stand up and defend the faith boldly? :thinking I highly doubt that.

Here's another quote from the second page of the article:

So why did they come to our church along with TD Jakes’ Potter’s House, Eddie Long’s New Birth Community Church, and Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church? And why are they going to Willow Creek Community Church and Saddleback Community Church? The answer is simple. Their goal is to force us to accept their lifestyle by slowly desensitizing us to their aberrant theology and practices. This change in tactics is an attempt to play the pity card. end of quote

I noticed the names of the churches they are going to. I believe will be among the first megachurches that will accept it. But that's just my opinion. :tsk

[Gabby]

This is interesting and something I've wondered about since that disgusting and pathetic event last fall in San Francisco when the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence ( :hehee ) took communion in that Catholic Church. I had a horrid vision in my head of them coming into my church and I wondered how my church would handle it.

Aren't these people allowed in public churches? I'm not familiar with the laws...can just anyone come in a church when there's a service in progress?

I believe the church shouldn't be a hotel for the 'righteous' and needs to be a hospital for sinners but the line needs to be drawn when one forces their way in with the intent of mockery and intimidation. How will our pastors handle this?

[billiefan2000]

Hybels to Dine and Dialogue With “Christian” Homosexual Group

Let’s get it straight, folks. The members of the gay activist group Soul Force are not a bunch of people unfamiliar with Christianity, searching, longing for the truth and willing to listen.

They are unrepentant, bold face rebels who engage in sodomy in the name of Christ and who are demanding acceptance of their lifestyle by evangelical Christians. That is who they are and what they represent as they travel the country threatening to picket college campuses that won’t let them in.

This important post details the situation at Willow Creek and points out the warning in Scripture that those who are self-consciously in revolt against the dictates of God’s Word and are professing Christians, should not even be allowed to eat with believers because of their rebellion.

By agreeing to Jay Bakker’s and Soul Force’s demands for dining and dialogue,

Bill Hybels once again violates Scripture and sends a message that is dangerous to the souls of these people.

We are not to shun those sinners who know nothing of the Gospel and who need to hear it.

But if those who name Christ’s name willfully and continually engage in spiritual rebellion, the only hope for their souls is to realize the seriousness of what they are doing.

That’s why Scripture’s admonition in this area is there. It is with a redemptive hope that the church exercises the discipline of turning away from those in open sin who profess Christ.

There is a time when “love” can actually serve to enable someone to continue in their sins.

I referenced the new book by gospel singer Michael English yesterday that details his immorality, drug taking and so forth, and his repeated backsliding back into drugs before he finally came out of it completely.

He doesn’t record that anyone in his life as a supposed Christian ever warned him about the path he was on and the peril of his soul.

Everyone loved him to pieces, hired him for Christian gigs even while he was higher than a kite, (TBN), produced his CD’s, and featured him on Christian TV shows while he was still in rebellion.

This is not love, folks, and it only perpetuates someone’s sin. There is a time to confront and to refuse to dialogue about what God has already said. Bill Hybels is wrong.



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2 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.



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[Gabby]

Excellent article, Billiefan. Enabling is not love. Period.

1 To everything there is a season,

A time for every purpose under heaven:
2 A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
3 A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down, And a time to build up;
4 A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to gain,
And a time to lose; A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;
7 A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;
8 A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.

People need to take this passage more seriously. There are proper times for everything...and many of the jobs we have to do are NOT pleasant. The Christian life isn't a warm fuzzy feeling.

I still wonder what authority a pastor can take if these people barge into a church??? Anyone know?

[iSong6:3]

Great articles. billiefan, yes, church discipline is God's will and it's a good thing; separation from sin/holiness is a good thing - without them we are in true danger. May the true Church stand strong on behalf of that which remains. :pray

[ZeldaCA]

You know, with several states (including mine -- CA) giving way on the issue of gay marriage, I can only think of one thing worse. And that's THE CHURCH giving way on gay marriage.

While I'm appalled at ANY gay marriage legally taking place, it's an even scarier thought when it's done not by a Justice of the Peace (civil service) but by the Pastor or Priest of a Church, and actually invokes the name of the Lord in the service!

Bad, bad, bad. :ohno

[Sing4Him]

Aren't these people allowed in public churches? I'm not familiar with the laws...can just anyone come in a church when there's a service in progress?


Of course they can walk in on a service. It would be disruptive and I would assume the church would have police prepared for this "interruption" and trepassing.


The Bible is very clear about the Light (believers) being part of the Dark (unsaved and especially those with hardened hearts)

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Cor. 6:14


And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them Eph. 5:11


Soulforce's agenda is not one seeking Biblical Truth. IFFF one was seriously searching for the Lord and there was a desire for Truth found solely in God's Word, then dialogue and the Gospel would be presented.

IF the sole reason for the presence of this group or similar groups is for confrontation, anger and some presentation of continues lies of the devil, then God's Word Firmly states to have no part of them.


And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet Matt 10:14


We are not to entertain darkness. The truth is to be presented should the Lord provide the opportunity and there are willing listening ears.. It is the Holy Spirit that will do the work and convict the sinner...

if not, dust off one's feet and move on.

[Gabby]

Of course they can walk in on a service. It would be disruptive and I would assume the church would have police prepared for this "interruption" and trepassing.


The Bible is very clear about the Light (believers) being part of the Dark (unsaved and especially those with hardened hearts)

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Cor. 6:14


And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them Eph. 5:11


Soulforce's agenda is not one seeking Biblical Truth. IFFF one was seriously searching for the Lord and there was a desire for Truth found solely in God's Word, then dialogue and the Gospel would be presented.

IF the sole reason for the presence of this group or similar groups is for confrontation, anger and some presentation of continues lies of the devil, then God's Word Firmly states to have no part of them.


And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet Matt 10:14


We are not to entertain darkness. The truth is to be presented should the Lord provide the opportunity and there are willing listening ears.. It is the Holy Spirit that will do the work and convict the sinner...

if not, dust off one's feet and move on.


I agree with all this, Sing4Him. What I'm wondering is legally ~ if they come in a particular church, dressed in drag, demanding to partake in the service/communion, whatever....are they legally allowed to stay or does the pastor have the right to 'refuse service' to them?

I'm concerned that, in order to promote their agenda, they might begin invading our churches and legally we won't be able to refuse them. What do you think?

[sandylion]

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.This is what we are dealing with folks. There is coming a time, very quickly, except the Lord returns, that we will have to meet in our homes behind closed doors in order to keep these people out. They desire only to kill, steal and destroy just like their father the devil. It will only be those of us who stand strong and contend for the faith that was once handed down to the saints that will be holding the truth for any who want to be saved. The rest will be those who are marked out for condemnation and destruction. The Rick Warren's of this world are going to lie down and make way for the ungodly because they love money more than they love Christ and His bride.

[Sing4Him]

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is very much so the Emergent/False Church for sure.


Gabby.. I think a lawyer would better answer the questions regarding trepassing in a church.

If they have come to politely listen, I would assume the church would not prevent this.

If they came to cause disorder and protest, then I could see the police dragging them out.

This Soulforce has been on come "Christian" college campuses before.

If the church can prove the intentions are malicious mischief etc.. I still would imagine there is reason for them to be barred from entering the service.


Do we have a lawyer here on RR who might shed more light on the legalities of this???