The Blood Moon Theory

[denny272]

For anyone interested the new Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible KJV (2008 new edition), Hardcover by Amg Publishers is on sale for $30.00. The release date is May 31st.

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[Wally]

InHisGlory:

Thanks for the commentary. As this site has rules for date setting, I try to make certian I let Scripture do the talking and only offer conjectures with observations, as we are commended to Watch!

Curious that so many things are coming together like a puzzle. I think many here agree, if there is any inkling it will be by the Holy Spirit revealing as the Father commands, never by any wisdom or clever perception of us.

And there is a stark contrast between falling away, and catching up. Glad to see we're using our dictionaries.

My prayer is if fellow believers in Christ are stirred as I am, you can preach boldly the Gospel of Christ as we enter troubled times, as opposed to running from the fire.

Remember: in those days a man's enemies will be his own family. Could there be a prelude of persecution before the 7 years of Judgement?

I'm sure the survivers of Aushwitz would think so.

[JenGC]

I just finished a book by Mr. Hagee that was about the feasts. He covered how they started, how they were celebrated when Jesus was alive and how Jesus fulfilled some of the feasts, and what they mean prophetically. It is called "His Glory Revealed". Very good book.

[JustinSolo]

I wouldn't want to describe the rapture as the apostasy (see 2 Thess 2:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%202:3;&version=16;))

The word apostasia (ἀποστασία) means being in a state of defection from the truth.

So what does this "apostasia" look like? Because it is called THE apostasia. Paul was trying to calm down the church by saying, "Hey! Don't be troubled. THE apostasia has to happen FIRST". Well if it is just plain apostasy, that was already happening in the church. That is one of the reasons Paul was even writing this SECOND letter in the first place. So Paul would just be saying, "Hey don't worry because people have to fall away from the faith first like they already are doing." That makes no sense. That brings no comfort.

Right now, I'm inclined to believe either way....that apostasia refers to the rapture or some other "falling away". My problem is I know what the rapture looks like, but I don't quite know what this "falling away" would look like since it has been happening since the Garden of Eden. It is not good enough to me to say it has been increasing lately. It has always been increasing, just maybe faster now. I just am wondering if somebody else is expecting some great event to be THE APOSTASIA and that it not be the rapture?

[tenBoomFriend]

I think we need to keep in mind that Jesus tells us to keep watching for his return and not be caught as a thief in the night. I believe He will give us the things to watch for, including signs (maybe the red moon activities). Daniel was told that some things wouldn't be revealed until the end times. Well we're in the end times so we should be getting signs. :hat:tsk

[acceptedintheBeloved]

For anyone interested the new Hebrew-Greek Key Word Study Bible KJV (2008 new edition), Hardcover by Amg Publishers is on sale for $30.00. The release date is May 31st.

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Thanks for posting information on this resource. I'll keep it in mind for the next
time my DH asks me what I'd like for my birthday/Christmas/anniversary (that is, if we are still here.) On our last anniversary (our 25th), he bought me Arnold Fruchtenbaum's The Footsteps of the Messiah. :yeah I know... I'm hopelessly addicted!

I usually have to wait until I find resources at greatly-reduced prices (as we have a large family... AND I like to have MANY BOOKS!) The Lord always seems to provide the neatest bargains for me. For instance, while spelunking through a used book store several years ago, I found Alva J. McClain's The Greatness of the Kingdom for a mere $2.00! (less, actually!) And it is a nice, thick, hardback book! The Lord is so good to me! :thumb

Thanks to everyone who has posted other good reads! I'm always on the lookout! :hat

[JustinSolo]

It is interesting to note that is is a jubilee of years(360 days years) between when Jerusalem was recaptured in 1967 and this next year of eclipses in 14/15.

I find it amazing that a Jubilee period is exactly the number of days from June 7, 1967 to Yom Kippur in 2015. Can that be a coincidence? God is one awesome mathematician. I can't wait to see what transpires over the next 7 years, if Jesus tarries.

[The Red Aaron]

that is simply amazing. I believe we won't be here much longer. :yeah
however at the same time, for things to be progressing by June seems too soon to me, although nothing is impossible with God!

[acceptedintheBeloved]

So what does this "apostasia" look like? Because it is called THE apostasia. Paul was trying to calm down the church by saying, "Hey! Don't be troubled. THE apostasia has to happen FIRST". Well if it is just plain apostasy, that was already happening in the church. That is one of the reasons Paul was even writing this SECOND letter in the first place. So Paul would just be saying, "Hey don't worry because people have to fall away from the faith first like they already are doing." That makes no sense. That brings no comfort.

Right now, I'm inclined to believe either way....that apostasia refers to the rapture or some other "falling away". My problem is I know what the rapture looks like, but I don't quite know what this "falling away" would look like since it has been happening since the Garden of Eden. It is not good enough to me to say it has been increasing lately. It has always been increasing, just maybe faster now. I just am wondering if somebody else is expecting some great event to be THE APOSTASIA and that it not be the rapture?

I think you raise some good points here, JustinSolo. :)

I've read/heard that at least seven versions, before the KJV, translated "apostasia" as "the departure", and that they understood it to mean "the rapture" (not necessarily accurately... I don't know. But that's not my point. I'm just sharing info.)

This was their understanding... because of what Paul had taught his readers/hearers in 1 Thess (context and all, esp. in 4:13-5:11) and the fact that he now found the need to reassure them (and remind them) of that same truth. Some had been telling the people that, due to the persecution they were presently experiencing, that they were surely IN the "DAY OF THE LORD" (the tribulation... And some say this refers to only the second half of the trib, from the mid-point when "that man of sin be REVEALED." So, in that case, these false teachers would have been telling them that, in essence, they were experiencing "the wrath of God", aka "the Day of the Lord"), etc...

Of course, Paul warned his readers of the "departure from The Faith" in the last days, elsewhere in his letters (1 Timothy, for example, the context being "false teachers"), as was pointed out in previous posts.

Taking both books together (1 & 2 Thess), examining their context... I still have not come to a definitive conclusion... about whether "the departure" (here) refers to "The Faith" (i.e. the Body of Truth, Word of God, the True Gospel), or OUR departure from this world ("the Rapture".) We are not of this world, but our citizenship IS in heaven (present-tense, from the point of salvation.) The departure is NOT referring to "losing one's salvation", that is for sure.

I thank you for posing the questions though! :thumb Thought-provoking, and I appreciate that! :hat

[acceptedintheBeloved]

Back to the original post...

Everyone schooled in proper grammar knows that in the use of parentheses (and the Church Age IS commonly known as the Great Parenthesis) that one resumes the sentence exactly where one left off. In my opinion, it seems The Grand Scriptwriter would resume His dealings with Israel at the same point where He left off... :thinking
Some point out the fact that Pentecost seems to be that point (officially), due to that being when He sent the Holy Spirit in His fullness (for indwelling those of this Church Age), and that He will be removed (with us) at that same point in time (in the future, near or far. Though I'm inclined to believe, near.) It's a very (biblically) reasonable idea, IMO. :) God IS a God of order...