The Blood Moon Theory

[Glory to God]

We all do! It does seem to make sense, but I think after being burned so many times, we've all matured and are more cautious now. I hope it's true, too, and I'm really interested in the Feast of Trumpets this year. But if nothing happens, then I will know that it's just the error in humanity that has yet to understand or correctly interpret the signs.

When I first saw the blood moon study, my jaw was on the ground. However, I immediately picked it back up and thought to myself, "Self, just be patient. Study and pray on it, and let's see if others come to similar conclusions." So far, there's been a lot of excitement over it, but I haven't seen much to dismiss it. Nonetheless, I will continue to watch, persevere, pray and study. If it happens...Woo hoo!!!...if it doesn't...well, I know it will eventually, so I will continue to try and touch everyone I can with the hope of salvation.

Just watching the news everyday, though, you gotta think that we're right on the edge of the cliff. :shocked I can't imagine it going on much longer, but I thought that years ago, too.

:agree Well said, my exact thoughts.:thumb

[Silas]

"If" fallen angels gave all of this wonderful knowledge to the pagans of old, then that would mean they know when this age is over and the new one begins or is in full swing....something scripture says ONLY GOD KNOWS.......

Matthew 8:29
29"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?"

[dramama]

Matthew 8:29
29"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?"

...they obviously knew it wasn't their appointed time...the trib hadn't started, the millennium wasn't over either (see scripture for what happens to them and when).....you can't cherry pick verses and create whole doctrines from them....I'll leave it at that :tape Also I addressed this in a previous post.

[Silas]

...they obviously knew it wasn't their appointed time...the trib hadn't started, the millennium wasn't over either (see scripture for what happens to them and when).....you can't cherry pick verses and create whole doctrines from them....I'll leave it at that :tape Also I addressed this in a previous post.

Yes it was obvious to them it wasn't the appointed time yet, but there is also no place in scripture that states that demons and fallen angels do not know the year of their appointed time.

[zhan]

Actually what I am quoting is theories from very respectable scientist at my universtiy. I am a Religion major/ Astrononmy minor.

Well then, you should question him about the source of his ideas.

Here's one site that has been pushing this for a couple years now:
http://www.thehorizonproject.com/

Also, one Mr. Ed Dames (http://ufowatchdog.com/rvdames.html) has been pushing similar ideas for the better part of a decade (google solar kill shot). More recently he's been on Art Bell's Coast to Coast Am talk radio program. If you're unfamiliar with CtC, it's an outlet for ufologists, conspiracy theorist, and other just uncategorized 'news'. But regardless of the source, it's getting all over the place now.

There are many versions of this myth, but there are two main variants. The first one is the easiest. It states that in 2012 we'll be crossing the elliptical plane of the galaxy and that once we do so hilarity will ensue. Our poles will flip, and as we cross, we'll be subject to gravity waves that supposedly only propagate along the elliptical plane, which will shake our world apart (earthquakes, volcanism, etc.). There are just a couple minor niggles with this version of the theory... I'll quote from some guys on an astronomy board that have had to deal with this question a lot. They're far more qualified and capable of answering than I am:


As with everything else, the "galactic plane" (GP) isn't a line formed by viewing the edge of a surface. It's a zone which has a width due to something called uncertainty. Even if we knew precisely where all the matter in the Milky Way was and each particle's velocity, the GP would still be a zone due to influences from the Magellanic clouds, M31, et al, and other factors.

So it's constantly shifting as we peer farther into the galaxy using more and more of the electromagnetic spectrum. Using the term GP is sort of like saying that you're at the exact center of a fog bank.

Thus a term like "equatorial zone" would more accurately define what we know based on observation.


And the real kicker:




Anyway, that's what's behind what the OP heard, I'm sure. Like I said, I have no idea about the sun's z-axis motion, nor where it is in that cycle right now. Are we anywhere near a plane crossing?

No. We're 70 light years from the galactic midplane, and that distance will increase for the next 14 million years.

Grant Hutchison


So, we're 70 light years from the galactic mid plane, and we're headed in the wrong direction for a convergence. Even if we were to flip a U-turn and accelerate to light speed it would still take us 70 years to get back there. For those pushing this version of the myth, they'll need to warm up ol Sols' warp nacels if they wish to keep that rendezvous anywhere remotely close to the target date of 2012.

The second major version, which is the one you're espousing, is the one that says our sun will be aligned (depending on the version either parallel to or pointing towards) with any of the following: the center of the galaxy, the black hole in our galaxies center, the elliptic plane of the galaxy. Now, how this alignment will cause instant destruction is never fully explained. However, any good storyteller can recognize the role of gravity waves as a kind of 'deus ex machina', which usually end up causing either the planet to have an elevated amount of society ending earthquakes and volcanism, and/or our local star will become unstable and fry us with mass ejections of warm and fluffy stardust. In most versions, the 26,000 year cycle comes up, with some saying that our civilization is destroyed every 26,000 years and we have to rebuild from the stone age.

So, what do people far smarter than I say about it?

The summary: ;)


The entire event is entirely make believe, there's not a shred of truth to the whole idea. How's that for an answer? By the way, the only meaningful number in the whole shebang is the 26,000 years, which is the time it takes the direction of the Earth's rotational axis to precess around in a circle. But this is a very gradual process and does not produce any effects like earthquakes, etc. Maybe there is a serious question here the Mayans might have known about the 26,000 year cycle, like the ancient Greeks did, but that's the only sensible question that might be residing there and I don't know the answer.



Well, I finally figured out this "galactic plane crossing" thing. I figured, that since as Grant said, we're just barely on the rising side of this 30ish million year cycle and aren't due to cross again, then where did this "plane crossing" come from?

As near as I can figure, it's an *alignment*. According to this, the sun's position at the winter solstice in 2012 is supposed to exactly align with the galactic plane on the celestial sphere. Or something like that. I've always MEGLO'd at astronomical aligments -- when does something moving in this plane at an angle to this plane exactly line up with this other plane.....

But as near as I can tell, that is what is meant by "the sun crossing the galactic plane", and that would indeed go with the precessional cycle.

So this alignment is supposed to be a portent of doom and what the Mayan long count calendar was based upon. A "new age" starts at that marker.

Now, those of you who do know how all that stuff moving in those various planes aligns with this and that, is this true? Will the 2012 winter solstice "line up" with the galactic plane?




It so happens that the galactic plane cuts the ecliptic very close to 90 degrees and 270 degrees ecliptic longitude at the present epoch, which means that the position of the sun passes through the galactic plane at the solstices.
The relevant galactic node on the ecliptic is at λ = 270.0232 degrees for the J2000.0 equinox, and precession should be making that bigger, rather than smaller. So it seems like the boat has already harmlessly sailed, if we're using the standard astronomical definition of the galactic equator.
Somehow, I suspect we're not ...

Grant Hutchison






IIRC (It's been awhile since I've been to GLP), the "alignment" is that in 2012, the galactic longitude of the winter swolstice will be zero.

As far as I can see, the zero point of galactic latitude/longitude sits several degrees south of the ecliptic. Sgr A* isn't at the coordinate origin, but it isn't near the ecliptic, either.
It certainly looks like the whole galaxy thing is being shoehorned into the Mayan calendar for dramatic effect.
Surprise.

Grant Hutchison


So, as far as alignments are concerned, it's either already happened harmlessly, or doesn't actually line up as it's supposed to do per the myth.

And finally, while we're on the subject . . .
As for the Mayan calendar 'ending' in 2012, this also is a rather large pile of cow chips and dip. The Mayan calendar is based on cycles, and the 'big cycle' is due to 'end' in 2012 in exactly the same way an analog clock 'ends' every time it reaches 12:00:00, or a western calendar 'ends' on December 31st. As the big hand travels from 12:00, through 1, 2, 3, ect. around the face of the clock and goes back to 12 again, it could be said to be 'ending'. The same could be said for every western calender on New Years Eve. However, we don't expect time itself to come crashing to a halt and civilization as we know it to come to an end every time this happens. What we expect is for the big hand to keep on progressing from 12:00:00 to 00:00:01, and January 1 to come rolling in, thereby starting the next cycle. The Mayan calendar operates in the exact same fashion. The 'big cycle' on the Mayan Calendar has a period of 394 years. While the current rollover date is 2012, previous dates have included 830, 1224 and 1618.

Someone on the other board put this up on TinyURL. It's a copy of a table from an archeology book, and in it you can see the start of the cycles in those years (marked as 10.0.0.0.0, 11.0.0.0.0 and 12.0.0.0.0 respectively):
http://i12.tinypic.com/29uyp78.jpg

edited to add:
Is it just me or is there a lot of irony in debunking a popular end time myth here? I hold Gods Word as Truth and the end times will happen as God said they would. I guess I have more appreciation for how others must see us now. :hehee

[Buzzardhut]

Yes it was obvious to them it wasn't the appointed time yet, but there is also no place in scripture that states that demons and fallen angels do not know the year of their appointed time.
Jesus didn't know but demons do?
You are giving demons way too much credit, which tickles their fancy!
Focusing your faith on unreliable secular documents will lead you into the ditch
Religious teachings in secular universities are satanic.
Place your faith on the true light of God's word and find a good Bible college.

[FaithContender]

Jesus didn't know but demons do?
You are giving demons way too much credit, which tickles their fancy!
Focusing your faith on unreliable secular documents will lead you into the ditch
Religious teachings in secular universities are satanic.
Place your faith on the true light of God's word and find a good Bible college.

Buzz,

I'm not agreeing with Stefan or anything, but is it safe to say that Satan knows when he's raising up the A/C? Because that still leaves everyone in the dark about the precise time of the Rapture. Right? Honest question:hug

[Amanda's mom]

Yes it was obvious to them it wasn't the appointed time yet, but there is also no place in scripture that states that demons and fallen angels do not know the year of their appointed time.

Jesus didn't know but demons do?
You are giving demons way too much credit, which tickles their fancy!
Focusing your faith on unreliable secular documents will lead you into the ditch
Religious teachings in secular universities are satanic.
Place your faith on the true light of God's word and find a good Bible college.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I think Stefen Alderson was saying that satan and his minions may know the year....not the exact day or hour. Just as we can know the season by the signs.

[Hootmon]

...is it safe to say that Satan knows when he's raising up the A/C? Because that still leaves everyone in the dark about the precise time of the Rapture.Its probably safer to say that an AC candidate has been more or less continually available in preparation for 'the time'.

[Mopsie]

Actually what I am quoting is theories from very respectable scientist at my universtiy. I am a Religion major/ Astrononmy minor.

Is he and are you a Christian? Fair question since you seem to take a scientist over the Bible???