The Blood Moon Theory

[mfa0830]

:attarg

...just sayin'...

There is obviously some significance to the winter solstice of 2012. For so many cultures to have called out this particular date hundreds and hundreds of years ago means that they had to have been demonically inspired...I do not think that this is from God...again, obviously.

Why can't we just agree that there's something to it, it's demonic in nature, and God will prevail? Maybe something will happen, maybe there will be a polar shift, maybe there will be earthquakes, and maybe there will be astronomical signs of wonder at that time, OR maybe nothing will happen at all and it will have been yet another deception by Satan and his hoards to divert attention away from the prophecies of truth written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

It just seems people are getting way too upset and personal about this. It just doesn't seem worth the acrimony to me. I'm feeling a Rodney King moment coming on...can't we all just get along?:idunno

I do have to say, though, that (with all due respect) I wouldn't necessarily trust some so-called astronomers from an web-based bulletin board any more than I would trust my dog to explain the planet's journey through the galaxy. It would take a lot of faith being placed in an anonymous person posting as an expert in cyberspace to hands-down override the numerous other scientists and "coincidences" that make up the legend that is 2012. For me, there's too much there to dismiss so quickly based on a few posts on some astronomy board. Just my humble opinion. After all, it's not like "scientists" have ever been wrong, right?! These same supposed experts probably believe in a billions-year-old Earth and the emergence of man through evolution.

{sighs}

[Mopsie]

Did you ever answer this? :scratch

I ask you once more...which do you prefer the influence of and to quote? The Bible or the scientist at your univeristy?

Bible? Scientist? Bible? Scientist? Which one do you prefer?


So because I believe that a scientific theory could be relative to eschatology I am letting Satan influence me?

If you place value on scientific theory over what we know from the Bible, then yes. Do you? Which means more to you what science can "prove" or the fact that God orchestrates and created science? Faith? Proof? Faith? Proof? Do you see what I am saying? Does faith or science save you? Which in the end has the last say, science or God?

Again, I don't mean to come across harsh or as a "know-it-all" but I hear you saying "Yes, I am a Christian and Jesus is my Saviour." but at the same time placing quite an amount of value on the theories and teachings of a scientist.

I don't know. Part of my hesitancy comes from the whole "I am a Religion/Astronomy major." Why not go back to a Bible school or seminary if you are that interested in being a light amongst the darkness. Something just doesn't seem right to me. Yes, call me the church lady, a prude...whatever. Why not study the one religion you know as a Christian to have what the world needs? If you desire to know about religion as a whole, why not use the good material that is out there, yes once again from a Christian perspective but from respected authors? If you want, I will get you a list.

It just seems to me from what you are saying is that you want to be a light amongst the darkness and yet you are focusing your time on religion and astronomy? Take the faith you have in Jesus Christ, the appreciation you have for what He did on the cross, get the training you need and focus your evangelism efforts as a pastor perhaps? Have you ever felt God pulling on your heart strings? You went to a good Bible college once upon a time? What happened to pull you away? Perhaps God is trying to tell you something right here from this forum!

Let me put it another way...what does studying religion and astronomy hold for you greater than the Word of God? 2 Timothy 3:16 makes it clear that the Bible has for us all that we need....profitable doctrine for reproof, correction, instruction...and when we use God's word for these things we find ourselves "complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." To study religion and astromony in and of themselves is not bad if we are careful about it and it is done in a controlled setting (you're going to love me for that) but as Christians we do need to be aware of our surroundings, right? (1 Peter 5:8) Is the university you attend secular or is it a Christian one?

As a sister in Christ I'm just asking you to be careful. As Christians we are called to care about one another right? Carry one another's burdens?

:hat

[Mopsie]

It was very hard for the first few years. My wife and little ones where very confused by my descision. (I have three children, 6 year old and 6 month old daughter and a 4 year old son) Since that time I have learned more about God by letting Him reveal Himself to me. I have died to myself and God has reserected me by His spirit.

I am sorry it has been so hard for you. :hug I have a very good friend who I love dearly whose wife is not a Christian and does not understand. I am sorry.

Just please be careful that you do find someone to lean on to help you take what is in the Bible to weigh what you learn against the Bible. I'll be honest, it is really easy for me to get caught up in taking what science says, especially when it is really tempting and consider it over the fact that God doesn't need science to prove or help what He is able to do. God created science and it is all under His control.

For example...in another thread (I will find it for you) there was a discussion on blood moons and eclipses, that sort of thing and how the next ones (I hope I have this right) are set to happen oddly in a very timely fashion (or so it seems) and there are many people taking what scientists predict in accordance with Jewish calendars because of what they are being taught and coming pretty close to date setting. According to the Bible we are able to see the signs and know His return is close but we do not know the date or time. It is scary when people begin to take what science predicts and hold it as the gospel truth and in turn lead so many people astray, as has happened in the past which causes disappointment and people turn away from the faith because the dates they have set have not happened.

Honestly, I see the time as being closer than most people care or dare to admit. But I am not about to take a chart from a scientist or even a Bible teacher showing me the predictions of future blood moons or eclipses. If God is who He is, He doesn't need help from science. The sovereign God and Father I know can make these things happen when He needs them to at exactly the right time. Perhaps I put too much faith in Him but I'm fine with that and am pretty sure it won't be held against me when I am judged and rewarded.

:hug

[Silas]

I am sorry it has been so hard for you. :hug I have a very good friend who I love dearly whose wife is not a Christian and does not understand. I am sorry.

Just please be careful that you do find someone to lean on to help you take what is in the Bible to weigh what you learn against the Bible. I'll be honest, it is really easy for me to get caught up in taking what science says, especially when it is really tempting and consider it over the fact that God doesn't need science to prove or help what He is able to do. God created science and it is all under His control.

For example...in another thread (I will find it for you) there was a discussion on blood moons and eclipses, that sort of thing and how the next ones (I hope I have this right) are set to happen oddly in a very timely fashion (or so it seems) and there are many people taking what scientists predict in accordance with Jewish calendars because of what they are being taught and coming pretty close to date setting. According to the Bible we are able to see the signs and know His return is close but we do not know the date or time. It is scary when people begin to take what science predicts and hold it as the gospel truth and in turn lead so many people astray, as has happened in the past which causes disappointment and people turn away from the faith because the dates they have set have not happened.

Honestly, I see the time as being closer than most people care or dare to admit. But I am not about to take a chart from a scientist or even a Bible teacher showing me the predictions of future blood moons or eclipses. If God is who He is, He doesn't need help from science. The sovereign God and Father I know can make these things happen when He needs them to at exactly the right time. Perhaps I put too much faith in Him but I'm fine with that and am pretty sure it won't be held against me when I am judged and rewarded.

:hug

I wasn't saying the my wife isn't a believer but that she struggled with my descision not attend "church." But now we are on the same page so all is well.

[Mopsie]

My misunderstanding, I'm sorry.

I was talking on the phone the other day with my mom..."Where are you and Ryan going to church now?"

"No where Mom, don't know where to go."

"Oh." (One of those disappointed "ohs" as though she is not pleased and I have let her down. Not the first time, won't be the last.)

:aha

We are the black sheep of our families because we don't attend a church...particularly a Reformed or Christian Reformed church. Argh.

:doh

Anyhow, God's richest blessings to you and your family.

With love and hope in Christ,

:hug

[Mopsie]

Ok I'm not sure how this turned into an attack on Stefen Alderson. This all started when he was accused of quoting psuedo-science, however, after reading his post he talked about 3 different topics.

1: A possible polar shift
2: Mayan prophecy
3: Belief that Mayans were taught by fallen Angels.

He never quoted anything, just referenced. Second he never said he does not believe in referencing the Bible as one of his posts clearly does just that. This thread was just talking about speculation surrounding Mayan history. How did we end up here???? :idunno

And you can believe the Bible and science. Truth is truth. If they ever contradict then the science is not true science.

My error I guess was in making sure he wasn't taking the teachings of a scientist and putting value on them over what we know and can learn from the Bible. I imagine from your post that I came off as too...catty (to put it nicely). You've pointed out exactly what I wanted to be sure of. The problem is sometimes even with believing science and the Bible, there is a tendency and I am just as guilty as anyone else in putting science first (because it is actual meaning we can see it) versus remembering faith comes first (believing in what we cannot see or offer proof of). Having a six year-old and trying to explain God and faith is a good enough lesson.

:aha

Did not mean to offend, just wanted to be sure that's all. If my questioning was seen as offensive then I did not do a good job of explaining myself. This late in the game we can't afford to not care and that is exactly what I was trying to do. I sincerely care about whether or not others are saved...we are so close to His return. If I offend someone by further investigating, no skin off my back so to speak. I'd rather offend than have to think about someone potentially wishing for an eternity that I'd spoken up.

:heythere :hug :hat

[Mopsie]

My final post tonight...I AM SORRY!

It might be a good idea to close this thread! The title...

"I Know I Know....no Datesetting, But..."

Commenting and giving adherence to Mayan prophecy? :idunno

I just don't see the benefit of it. When's the last time most people on this thread shared the gospel with another person? I AM NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE HERE but it seems to be so insignificant when we know this forum does not stand for datesetting....but...some just don't care and try and cover for themselves saying "I'm not datesetting but..." (hangs head in disgust)

His return is close right? Imminent? Why spend time talking about Mayan prophecy when our walking shoes need to be on and we need to be knocking on our neighbor's doors and asking them if they know Jesus.

:hug

By the way, my husband and I are doing a church plant. I start blockwalking in a week through my neighborhood and around town in the community next to us. Wrote a letter last week to a friend who I know is not saved and presented the gospel.

:heythere

[Gesso]

astrologers are looking to this time as a time of upheaval as well. There are some fairly 'intense' (understatement) planetary configurations at this time that they believe will lead to a massive change on this planet
The earliest of these influences begins this fall

[Mopsie]

I'm sorry I got so frustrated earlier this morning and yesterday. My concern is keeping your witness in check because there are those who do come here looking for answers and we cannot always know how they have already been influenced. We need to keep our witness in check and make sure that we are not promoting science over the Bible or equalizing science with the Bible. The Bible says that there will be wonders in the heavens and signs on the earth (Acts 2:19-21) preceding the Lord's return. Keep in mind however that God does not need help from science. God can make these things happen in His own power and strength whenever and wherever He needs them.

Be careful that you do not give science too much credit but putting credit in the hands where it is deserving...in the hands of our Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Make sure your witness carries with it the proper allocation of credit due. Acknowledging scientists, professors, knowledge or a Jewish calendar even is saying in effect to someone who is not mature in their Christian faith, "Hey, I don't need God. I have science." Please, please be careful that you do not tread on blasphemous ground.

I have spoken up because I care about the salvation and witness of others. I know all too well the apostasy and hypocrisy that has come over so many including my husband, family members, friends and those I witness to as a chaplain and minister. It is very disheartening. People do not need help these days being led astray. Keep your witness in check.

Then He also said to the multitudes, "Whenever you see a cloud rising out of the west, immediately you say, 'A shower is coming'; and so it is. And when you see the south wind blow, you say, 'There will be hot weather'; and there is. Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time?"

God is in midst and in control of all that is happening and will happen. Be careful to give Him the credit - the honor, the glory and the praise.

:hat :hug

[Silas]

The Bible says that there will be wonders in the heavens and signs on the earth (Acts 2:19-21) preceding the Lord's return. Keep in mind however that God does not need help from science. God can make these things happen in His own power and strength whenever and wherever He needs them.:hat :hug

Maybe God put the Scientific Astronomical events in place ahead of time :idunno

He could have planned for these thing to happen and be a part of His wrath on earth. :thinking