The Blood Moon Theory

[Rapturetime]

OK sorry, but the OP's post was very depressing. I understand the sentiment behind it, but it is still depressing. It is very hard for me to believe that God is satisfied for his children to go around spouting a mindless mantra of "Jesus is coming soon" without the least bit understanding of what soon means or having any Biblical support for believing it except that God said He is coming quickly. Obviously since it has been 2000 years since God told us He is coming back that "soon" to Him is different than "soon" to us. With that said I don't believe that God wants believers to be in the dark of when He is coming back as far as knowing that we are indeed in the season and that we know that with all that is lining up that "soon" actually means "soon"! God gave us specific prophecies for us to look towards being fulfilled so that we would know that His return is not only eminent, but very probable within a certain time frame. God's word tells us if only the Jews would have deciphered His prophecies correctly about His first coming they would have known for a certainty who He was. I am not a theologian, but I have been taught that the prophecies on His second coming out number the prophecies on His first coming, so it only makes since to me that we should at least have an understanding of whither or not we are the terminal generation. I don't want to be the kind of person that tells other people that Jesus is coming soon and it could be any time....... buuuutttt it really could be a couple of hundred years from now or maybe even a thousand for all we know. That sounds really stupid even to me so I could imagine what it sounds like to the unbeliever. No, I want to be more like the wise men who were watching, waiting and deciphered the signs correctly, and guess what; they were rewarded by seeing the Messiah because they knew the time was right.

[GettingFitted]

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/tt8.html

There is one major problem with this approach that disqualifies any use of it for date-setting. Israel's feasts relate to Israel and Israel alone. True, the fulfillment of Israel's feasts relate to salvation for all mankind, but the precise fulfillment relates exclusively to national Israel. The Rapture is a new event related only to the church and thus could not have been predicted through Old Testament revelation such as Israel's feast. Thus, any use of the feasts of Israel in an attempt to date-set is invalid.

Ummmm....This sounds like opinion or interpretation. I would hate to put God in a box and say what He is or is not revealing "through Old Testament revelation such as Israel's feast".

Maybe I misunderstand your comment and need further explanation.

I totally agree that specific date setting could be harmful and has been harmful in the past. But showing through signs, models, patterns, and parallels in the Bible that a time (year, month, day, festival, generation, etc...) is POSSIBLE is not DATE SETTING is it? It's just saying that it is possible and to watch. Did God not give us these signs so that we would know the season? It should be an encouragement for us to all be planting no matter if one of us thinks its possible for Him to be coming back in October or in 22 years from now. :idunno

[acceptedintheBeloved]

I agree that the fall feasts pertain to Israel (after our Rapture) regarding Christ's Second Coming. :) "For the Jews require a sign..." (1 Corinthians 1:22) and it is to them that they are specifically given.

[upNORTderHEY]

These passages are absolute prohibitions against date-setting.

How do you get that from the passages? All I see is a statement that at that time no one knew or a specific person does not know. Where does it state "No one will ever know when."?

[acceptedintheBeloved]

How do you get that from the passages? All I see is a statement that at that time no one knew or a specific person does not know. Where does it state "No one will ever know when."?

Agreed! :thumb

Not prohibitions. A "present tense 'know'" regarding His Second Coming...

[ATYCLB]

Maybe I misunderstand your comment and need further explanation.


I think we've been more than accommodating in giving explanations
across many threads concerning this.

However, I'll try once more to put this into perspective.

As Jack Kinsella noted in an article about this:



If Biltz' calculations are correct and the 2nd Coming will be during the Blood Moon Succot of 2015, then that would mean a Pre-Trib Rapture would have to occur at least seven years earlier.

Assuming the theory that the Rapture and 2nd Coming are symbolically linked to the Last Trump (Succot) and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) is correct, the Rapture MUST take place no later than the conclusion of this year's Feast of Tabernacles.

http://www.omegaletter.com/articles/articles.asp?ArticleID=6285


It doesn't get much simpler than that.

Backwards date setting is still just that. Date setting.

We ask that everyone please be mindful of the following:

[11] No End Times Date Settings, Date Alerts, or designating specific Peace Treaties as the main event nor quoting from others on date setting future events such as the fall of Damascus, Gog/Magog, the Rapture, the Second Coming, the Millennium, Peace Covenants, etc.... or speculations on who will be the Antichrist, False Prophet, or Gog. This includes linking to sites and books that also speculate. Do not set Date Alerts that even hint of date setting.

[Redraider]

I would like to preface my comments by saying I recently joined RR and was quite excited to find a forum such as this. I felt this was a place where like minded Christians can discuss the issue of the rapture. Because we all know there are many differing opinions of the timing of the rapture (pre-trib, pre-wrath....) we can expect there to be differences even in the fine details of the pre-trib rapture (can we know the season? if so how close could we know?....if not why even discuss the rapture?)

I have been traveling the past 2 months in my job. I have been offshore on an oil platform, in Algeria, the UK, and in Pakistan. I have not been able to access the internet at all times and been able to scarcely get on RR. When I recently returned, I could not wait to get on the boards and get fed and read about the latest happenings. After today and reading some of the posts and comments, I can say I am deeply disappointed in what I have read.

To begin with I am confused as to what the rules are on the board. We all know the rule of date setting. I fully understand that date setting is not a good thing. However, this thread starts with a date, yet other threads that that don’t even mention a date but refer to Mark Biltz's blood moon observations are locked down. There seems to be some inconsistency in the treatment of threads on this board. To a new person who does not know the personalities of the moderators or the frequent posters, there appears to be a certain bias or preferential treatment of the subject matters.

Let’s face facts here. We all know that the time of the second coming of Christ is very very close. All of the signs are coming to pass (the pangs are increasing in intensity and frequency). I read the papers and travel in Asia, Africa, UK and here in the states, they all say the same thing. The world economy is on the verge of collapse, a devastating war is in the air, and the entire world knows something is not right. They are looking for a savior. No other time in recent memory has conditions been so right for the tribulation to begin. I doubt anyone of us could doubt that a war could break out any day. This war (Gog and Magog?) might be the very catalyst that issues in the tribulation and the anti-Christ. In addition to that, I would imagine some of us have had a burden on our spirit with the feeling that time is short and we need to have our house in order and be watchful. God is telling us something, the time is HERE, NOW. Arguing whether a pastor in Washington set a date for Christ’s second coming is ridiculous. (By the way he did not set a date but pointed out signs in the heavens coincide with signs to be given at the second coming. He said “Put it in your own theological pipe and smoke it however you want.”) His arguments have theological merit. Why not discuss them? Here is why I would discuss them. If what he says is true, then what joy that has brought me, knowing that we are that close to seeing Christ’s victory over this world. But as I said earlier, I personally have had a conviction to get my house in order and a discussion like this would only add fuel to the fire to have my house in order and be watchful. Lets say those dates are not the second coming, well then I say so what. No harm. I personally have benefited from the hope of those dates. I was watchful; I cleaned up some things that should have been taken care of long ago. The reason why Christ did not want to give the exact date of his coming is two fold, to give hope to those believers who has suffered through the ages and not have a believer “check out” of life waiting for the Rapture or second coming.

This is why I bring this up. Having spent time in Algeria and Pakistan and even the UK for that matter, I have found that the privilege we have here is such a blessing to a believer. A place where ideas can be discussed, argued (politely), and shared. But I don’t see that here. There are comments made by individuals on this site that are made not out of love and even without full knowledge of the subject. Some rules are changed. (Mark Biltz’s website reference has been banned) I am disappointed in what I have read since coming back. RR member Justin Solo put it right when he said “Everybody starts talking about trying to "trick" Jesus into coming then, or that he is setting dates. Read his whole site and you will see he is not saying any of that. I get sick of this trend because threads constantly get closed because people can not read and/or control themselves. Ugh”

In Algeria and Pakistan, there is a huge thirst for knowledge of Christ. I spoke to several Muslims and agnostics about Jesus. But those discussions were not in the open and I was certainly at risk for having those discussions. We are so privileged here and yet we can’t even have a decent discussion on the boards. Look around at the world and let’s thank God we are here and let’s think about what we write and communicate on this board. If we could all do this, then meaningful discussions could be had about things like the blood moons and blowing the shofar.

Off the soapbox…….

[Sing4Him]

Does "this generation shall not pass" refer to those living during the tribulation period? The generation of Jews at this time?

[Joseph The Carpenter]

Welcome to the board Redraider, very good post ,I wish I could write that well. I also enjoyed those threads that were closed and wonder sometimes why. But the mods here have a hard job and they must stick to the only guaranteed truth and that is the BIBLE. The best way to question them is in a pm. Most of us just get a little disappointed when a "date" passes but if The Body of CHRIST looses just one person it is a tragedy.

[I'mready]

Does "this generation shall not pass" refer to those living during the tribulation period? The generation of Jews at this time?

Yes it could. However I do believe He was refering to the Jews who are living in a Restored Israel - 70 years seems more likely for a Generation than 7 Years.