What does God will not forgive you really mean?

[Eternally]

The Word says if you will not forgive someone God will not forgive you.

What exactly does God do or not do when he doesn't forgive you?

Many many use this verse to mean you can lose your salvation.

[Timothy]

The Word says if you will not forgive someone God will not forgive you.

What exactly does God do or not do when he doesn't forgive you?

Many many use this verse to mean you can lose your salvation.

The passage that you mean is the following:

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Note the instruction on forgiveness, which comes before the cross, and encompasses the uncertainty that exists from being under the law (i.e. if/then).

Now note the this instruction on forgiveness and how it changes after the cross under the gospel of grace revealed to the Apostle Paul. We are to forgive, because we are already forgiven.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

The pre-cross instruction (under the law) is to forgive in order to be forgiven, while the post-cross instruction (under grace) is to forgive because we are already forgiven.

Hope this helps...

[acceptedinthebeloved]

The passage that you mean is the following:

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Note the instruction on forgiveness, which comes before the cross, and encompasses the uncertainty that exists from being under the law (i.e. if/then).

Now note the this instruction on forgiveness and how it changes after the cross under the gospel of grace revealed to the Apostle Paul. We are to forgive, because we are already forgiven.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

The pre-cross instruction (under the law) is to forgive in order to be forgiven, while the post-cross instruction (under grace) is to forgive because we are already forgiven.

Hope this helps...

Agreed! :thumb

[Biblenuggetlady]

http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/unforgiveness-and-hell

Unforgiveness And Hell
Ask a Bible Teacher

Q. I have a question regarding unforgiveness and hell. I recently saw a program where they claimed that true believers could go to hell if they harbored unforgiveness in their hearts towards anyone, even if they're an unbeliever or a stranger.

They used Matthew 5:21-22 and Matthew 6:14-15 as their basis, and said that if you are a Christian there can be no darkness in you and that you shouldn't believe the "once saved always saved" theory. I know I am a Christian, I have repented of my sins and turned my life over to Him. But what they said has really disturbed me and caused distress. Is any of what they said true?

A. Some in the Church delight in using scare tactics like this to make believers feel guilty. And that's all it is. It's an effort to steal away the joy of our salvation. In John 3:16, the most popular verse in the Bible, Jesus said that whoever believed in him would inherit eternal life. In John 6:28-29 He said that the only work God requires of us is to believe in the one He has sent. In Ephesians 2:8-9 Paul said that we're not saved by our behavior but by our faith in God's grace. In Romans 7:20 he said that when we sin, God knows that it's not us but the sin nature that dwells within us, and in 2 Cor. 5:17-21 he said that we're a new creation, as righteous in God's eyes as He is. Then in Romans 8:38 he said that nothing can separate us from the love of God that's in Christ Jesus.

There are about a dozen other verses that I could quote, but you get the idea. In Matt. 5:21-22 Jesus was saying that just because you don't murder someone doesn't mean you haven't broken the commandment because anger is just as bad. He said the same thing about lust and adultery in verses 27-28. He was showing us that it's impossible to keep the law and that's why we need a Savior. And in Matt. 6:14-15 He was teaching us that forgiving each other helps maintain our relationship with God so we can enjoy His blessings here on Earth. It has nothing to do with our eternity. Otherwise He would be breaking His own promise that it's our belief that saves us and not our behavior.

You should memorize 2 Cor. 1:21-22 and repeat it whenever someone tries to sell this un-Biblical guilt generating trash to you.

"Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come."

God owns you, He put His spirit in you as a deposit guaranteeing what's to come, and accepted responsibility for keeping you his.

In the idiom of the Old West, He bought and branded you, put you in His corral, and even if you break out and wander off, He'll come after you and bring you back. Anything that conflicts with this is the doctrine of demons.

[usaf_chaplain]

The passage that you mean is the following:

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Note the instruction on forgiveness, which comes before the cross, and encompasses the uncertainty that exists from being under the law (i.e. if/then).

Now note the this instruction on forgiveness and how it changes after the cross under the gospel of grace revealed to the Apostle Paul. We are to forgive, because we are already forgiven.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

The pre-cross instruction (under the law) is to forgive in order to be forgiven, while the post-cross instruction (under grace) is to forgive because we are already forgiven.

Hope this helps...

Disagreed! So anything Jesus said before the Cross we should consider "under the law" and therefore disregard? I think not. The Bible says what it means and means what it says...Matt. 6:14-15 is not to suggest one will lose salvation if they refuse to forgive others. After all, God will not withdraw justification from those who have already received the free gift of pardon He extends to all who believe. Forgiveness in that sense is a permanent and complete acquittal from the guilt and ultimate penalty of sin..."There is therefore now NO condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 8:1). This complete acquittal from the guilt and ultimate penalty of sin belongs to all who are in Christ!!!! Yet, Scripture also teaches that God disciplines His children who disobey (see Heb. 12:5-7). Believrerrs are to confess there sins in order to obtain a day-to-day cleansing (1 John 1:9). This sort of forgiveness is a simple washing from the worldly defilements of sin, not a repeat of the justification (full and complete acquital) that comes once and for all to all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is like a washing of the feet rather than a bath (see John 13:10). Forgiveness in this latter sense is what God threatens to withhold from Christians who refuse to forgive others (See Matt. 18:23-35).

[jean]

It perhaps mean,that we are to be perfect,like our father in heaven who is perfect.FORGIVENESS is the perfection of our christlikeness who is very forgiving.No relation to salvation.We may die struggling to forgive,since the spirit is willing and the flesh is weak.It is our spiritual condition that matters to God
which is our faith in JESUS death on the cross,as the only atonement for our sin
and not our maturity.We maybe a baby in christ and is saved,but not if we are mature but without faith in the saving knowledge of Christ(UNBELIEVERS).My own opinion only.

The Word says if you will not forgive someone God will not forgive you.

What exactly does God do or not do when he doesn't forgive you?

Many many use this verse to mean you can lose your salvation.

[HeIsEnough]

What exactly does God do or not do when he doesn't forgive you?


For a slightly different angle...

Have you ever been in the place where you are steaming mad at someone and refuse to forgive them?

What happened?

[Hootmon]

The pre-cross instruction (under the law) is to forgive in order to be forgiven, while the post-cross instruction (under grace) is to forgive because we are already forgiven.Exactly.

[usaf_chaplain]

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Originally Posted by Timothy
The pre-cross instruction (under the law) is to forgive in order to be forgiven, while the post-cross instruction (under grace) is to forgive because we are already forgiven.

Exactly..

Again, you are saying that anything pre-Cross is to be disregarded? That would include the bulk of Scripture from Genesis through the Cross. I think you need to rethink your theology.

[Eternally]

If you heard a preacher talking about salvation etc, and then he says if you do not forgive others God will not forgive you, and that it is stated in the Bible... and he doesn't clarify,, don't you think it is an open door to debate losing salvation? I mean, if someone is listening and they believe you can lose your salvation, doesn't this give them cause to continue that belief if it is not clarified?