ONENESS (no Father, no Holy Spirit)

[kenod]

'In the name of is a legal term'. It means by the authority of. See white stone and secret name and 'Thou shall not use the Lord's name in vain."
When Jesus said to go out and make disciples in his name he was granting believers a power of attorney.

Slim

You could be right - then again, you could be wrong. Only God's Word is infallible, not our understanding. The Trinity is never explicitly stated in the Bible (as trinitarian scholars will tell you), it is a conclusion based on the evidence, about which the church has reached a consensus. Personally, I have difficulties with "three distinct co-equal persons" - it sounds too much like three gods to me, although I know it is not taught that way.

[BlessedinHim]

The first line of the Shema -

Hear Oh Isreal: I am the lord your Gods. The Lord is one.

Elohim is plural.


Slim

Elohim outside of scripture is indeed plural, but when in scripture, due to the other words used with it, it implies one.

That is in the strongs.

[CountryBumpkin]

I am not sure that I understand you. In Genesis 1, for example the word God is Elohim which is plural so it is used in scripture.
If you say that there must be other words to cause it to become plural then from my understanding the word Elohim when followed by a singular verb takes a plural form, and this is found in scripture. This shows that there is more than one person in the Godhead.

[kenod]

I am not sure that I understand you. In Genesis 1, for example the word God is Elohim which is plural so it is used in scripture.
If you say that there must be other words to cause it to become plural then from my understanding the word Elohim when followed by a singular verb takes a plural form, and this is found in scripture. This shows that there is more than one person in the Godhead.

The plural ending -im (as in Elohim) is used in other Hebrew words (eg chayyim = life) that are not necessarily plural. Elohim is used consistently with singular verbs, though not always. We cannot apply English rules of grammar to Hebrew.

[CitySearcher]

nor can we apply mankind's knowledge to God's Knowledge.....(IMO)

God is capable of anything; He is limited by nothing....

If God wanted to become 100 different 'beings', He could, but they would all still be HIM. Omnipresence means everywhere at the same time. We as believers have God within us, yet He is still in Heaven and on the other side of the Universe. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus is not God also?

People have always been trying to find ways to take the divinity from Christ. They have no understanding of God and His ways, so how can they possibly state for a fact that the Trinity is not possible or is wrong?

There will be alot of surprised theologians one day when all things are made known.

[Christy]

I think he does. I've seen several threads about him. If you do a search you may be able to find them. I'm not sure how much was saved from when the board split a couple of months ago though.

Hey there TandC, how's it going? Sure like your signature! How very true!

ADH from the other forum.

[kenod]

People have always been trying to find ways to take the divinity from Christ. They have no understanding of God and His ways, so how can they possibly state for a fact that the Trinity is not possible or is wrong?


On the other side, if you do not believe in the Trinity you are called a heretic by the mainstream church.

Oneness believers do not take the divinity from Christ - they believe that He was fully and completely God, not just the second person of a three person God.

[CitySearcher]

Well, I would agree with you there. Jesus is fully God; and God is fully God, as is the Holy Spirit....all three are. No part of the Trinity can be part God, and part something else; They are whole & complete, just as we shall be whole and complete when Christ comes for His bride.

God bless.

[kenod]

Well, I would agree with you there. Jesus is fully God; and God is fully God, as is the Holy Spirit....all three are. No part of the Trinity can be part God, and part something else; They are whole & complete, just as we shall be whole and complete when Christ comes for His bride.
God bless.

The Trinity is one, rather like a human family is one - father, mother and child together make one family - they are all fully human, but each person is only a part of the family. In that sense Jesus was only a "part" of God.

Oneness says that Jesus was all of God - all of God dwelt in Him.

For this reason, Oneness teaching claims that the Trinitarian doctrine diminishes the deity of Jesus Christ.

[Christy]

It all sounds awfully *kookie* to me. I came across a website by the "christadelphians" and thought they were rather great - - - - - until I found out they deny the Trinity - - - well, as you can imagine - - - - - I was outta there like a shot!