ONENESS (no Father, no Holy Spirit)

[BarbT]

The link below is a good resource on the cult of Oneness Pentecostalism. They give witnessing tips for those whose loved ones have been deceived by this religious group.

Like many counterfeit groups, Oneness mixes orthodox Christian essentials with lies & legalism. The result is spiritual poision. :twitch

Here are some of their doctrines:

*Denies the doctrine of the Trinity.

*Jesus is God the Father.
*Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
*The name of God is "Jesus."

*Denies justification by faith alone by stating that baptism is also required for salvation.

*Baptism must be administered by an ordained Oneness minister to be valid.
*Baptism must be administered with the phrase, "In the name of Jesus" instead of the phrase, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).

*Only Oneness people will go to heaven.*:ohno

http://www.carm.org/oneness/onenessteach.htm

[kenod]

The link below is a good resource on the cult of Oneness Pentecostalism. They give witnessing tips for those whose loved ones have been deceived by this religious group.

Like many counterfeit groups, Oneness mixes orthodox Christian essentials with lies & legalism. The result is spiritual poision. :twitch

Here are some of their doctrines:

*Denies the doctrine of the Trinity.

*Jesus is God the Father.
*Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
*The name of God is "Jesus."


There are numerous groups that believe in the oneness of God. They are not saying Jesus is the Father, but that Jesus is the human body that the Father dwells in.

They teach the supreme deity of Jesus Christ. This means Jesus was the "fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) not just the second person of the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God - in other words, the Holy Spirit is the Father.

When the Son prayed to the Father, it was humanity addressing deity, as in the Garden of Gethsemane.

They teach that when Jesus said

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Mat 28:19)

He was saying exactly the same thing as Peter said on the day of Pentecost:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

They will point out that "name" is singular in Mat 28:19, and that the name God chose to reveal Himself to us was Jesus Christ. Strictly speaking, neither Father, nor Son, nor Holy Ghost are names.

[Christy]

I always wondered what the "oneness" meant and took it to be that they were all "one", but since you've explained it's actually a denial of the trinity. They have a "Jesus only" theology. Do you think TD Jakes could fit into this category as he denies the Trinity?

[PickensSlim]

There are numerous groups that believe in the oneness of God. They are not saying Jesus is the Father, but that Jesus is the human body that the Father dwells in.

They teach the supreme deity of Jesus Christ. This means Jesus was the "fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col 2:9) not just the second person of the Trinity.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God - in other words, the Holy Spirit is the Father.

When the Son prayed to the Father, it was humanity addressing deity, as in the Garden of Gethsemane.

They teach that when Jesus said

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Mat 28:19)

He was saying exactly the same thing as Peter said on the day of Pentecost:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)

They will point out that "name" is singular in Mat 28:19, and that the name God chose to reveal Himself to us was Jesus Christ. Strictly speaking, neither Father, nor Son, nor Holy Ghost are names.



'In the name of is a legal term'. It means by the authority of. See white stone and secret name and 'Thou shall not use the Lord's name in vain."
When Jesus said to go out and make disciples in his name he was granting believers a power of attorney.

Slim

[SeaDreamer]

I always wondered what the "oneness" meant and took it to be that they were all "one", but since you've explained it's actually a denial of the trinity. They have a "Jesus only" theology. Do you think TD Jakes could fit into this category as he denies the Trinity?

I think he does. I've seen several threads about him. If you do a search you may be able to find them. I'm not sure how much was saved from when the board split a couple of months ago though.

[Betty]

I emailed my daughter a study showing why the trinity is right.
Here is her response:

What, then, is wrong with the teaching of a Trinity?

1 lt makes the Almighty a LIAR!
The Almighty YAHVEH Himself claims in:

Isa. 44:8
"Is there any other God besides Me? ... I know of none".

Trinitarians claim "there are three persons in the Godhead - and these three are one." Would YAHVEH not know the other two?

Isa. 44:6
"I am the First and the Last; there is no other God besides Me."

Notice: YAHVEH is clearly using singular terms and speaks of Himself as "I", "Me", etc. Trinitarians interpret this to mean that there is no other God besides the 'triune God' - and they insist that there are three distinctly separate Beings. Those who are advanced in their studies, have to admit that the Bible teaches that the Messiah is also the Creator (John 1:1, 10; Col. 1:15,16; Heb, 1: 2, 8 - l0) and "without Him was not anything made . . . " They claim, though, that the Messiah was 'with' the Father at Creation. Why then, does the Almighty YAHVEH have no knowledge of this?

Isa. 44:24; 45:12
"1 Myself, YAHVEH, made all things, I Alone spread out the heavens. When I gave the earth shape, did anyone help Me? I it was Who spread out the heavens with My hands."

Whom will we trust - YAHVEH, Who does not lie - or those of His created
Beings who insist that the Father and Son were 'together' at Creation?

Those Trinitarians who deny that their Messiah is God (contrary to what the Trinity theory is supposed to be teaching), obviously claim His Offer of Salvation, thereby denying their Saviour as their God. But YAHVEH, the True God, Who according to the Trinity theory is "the Father", makes the following claim :

Isa. 43:11 - (see also v, I4)
"I, I am YAHVEH, there is no Saviour but Me."

Isa. 63:16; 64:8
"You YAHVEH Yourself are our Father, our Redeemer ..."

Looking far into the future, YAHVEH could say through the prophet Zechariah

Zech, 12 :1O
"... They shall look upon ME (YAHVEH) Whom they have pierced."

This surely proves that the Messiah was YAHVEH Himself before His incarnation. The Trinity theory does not allow for this interpretation.


I can actually send you more but I really don't see the point. You will never agree with me and that is your right. I never denied the existence of a father, son and holy spirit but I strongly believe they are only ONE person in three different roles and not three different people. As I am daughter, mother, wife but I am ONLY one Jennifer. I do not exist as three persons nor do I exist as three separate parts. My spirit does not walk around and work separately from my physical body. I have issues with the three separate persons and yet one theory.... Is God the father not aware of God the Son?? And if He is aware then why did he not tell the children of Israel to worship only Him and HIs Son...He said He was the only God.... There should be no other gods before Him. But as I said, I wont argue. I have stated my believes and I am aware of yours, it is probably best we leave it at that.

Love ya,
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any suggestions?

[PickensSlim]

The first line of the Shema -

Hear Oh Isreal: I am the lord your Gods. The Lord is one.

Elohim is plural.


Slim

[BarbT]

Well, Betty, she sure has the Oneness talking points down. Some of the arguments sound exactly like the Jehovah Witness doctrine, which my dear sister believes. Many elements of truth intertwined with lies are next to impossible to undo.:ohno

The only thing both of us can do is hold Jennifer and Linda up in prayer -- that God will shed light on unbiblical beliefs and "burn off the dross".

Christy, TD Jakes does deny the Trinity. After hearing many people say this I decided to monitor his program years ago. I don't remember specifics but he did say the idea of a Triune God is blasphemy. :rolleyes

[CountryBumpkin]

Christy, TD Jakes does deny the Trinity. After hearing many people say this I decided to monitor his program years ago. I don't remember specifics but he did say the idea of a Triune God is blasphemy. :rolleyes

A side note: T D Jakes will be speaking at none other than Joyce Meyer's annual women's convention in September. What is that saying - "You are known by the company you keep."

[Betty]

Barb,
I will pray for Linda and Jennifer both. I am not going to argue with her, because she gets mad and nothing is accomplished by that. I do believe in my heart she is saved. I just think she has been brainwashed by her Church.
thanks again,
betty