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Sing4Him
June 23rd, 2008, 10:36 AM
John Killinger: Doctrine is a Thing of the Past

John Killinger, author of The Changing Shape of Our Salvation, and a presenter at the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship’s General Assembly this year, says the following:

“Now we are reevaluating and we’re approaching everything with a humbler perspective and seeing God’s hand working in Christ, but not necessarily as the incarnate God in our midst,” Killinger said. “Now, that may be hard for you to hear depending on where you are coming from, but we can talk more about it.”

No, Mr. Killinger. It’s not a “humbler perspective” to deny the deity of Jesus Christ; it is raw, Satanic arrogance to contradict the self-attesting, eternal Word of God. Here we go again, folks, with the same assaults on the deity of Christ, the existence of a literal hell, the Second Coming of Jesus and the substitutionary atonement. Killinger and McLaren and Jones and all the others who are questioning cardinal Christian doctrine as found in God’s Word are just reincarnations of the same “higher critics” of 100 years ago. It’s the same old song and dance with different performers. Read all that Killinger had to say here from Baptist Press. He sounds like Harry Emerson Fosdick of the famous (infamous) Riverside Church so many years ago. Killinger’s attacks on the deity of Christ have echoes of Fosdick’s well-known 1922 sermon, “Shall the Fundamentalists Win?” in which he attacked belief in the virgin birth; the inerrancy of Scripture; and the doctrine of the Second Coming, which he called “absurd”. Ironically, in this same sermon, Fosdick described fundamentalists as “bitterly intolerant.” Hmmm.

Mr. Killinger, in his speech before the General Assembly, further proves that it is never a case of doctrine vs. no doctrine. There is always doctrine in theology, the question is always whether it’s biblical, true doctrine or the lying doctrine of rebellious mankind, fueled from below.

No, these attacks are nothing at all new. In fact, they are the same, ludicrous attempts of man to take the eternal truth of our God, established forever in the heavens, and change it according to his own pathetic preferences. Praise God that His Word never changes.

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

–Psalm 119:160

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

–Psalm 119:89

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

–John 17:17

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

–Isaiah 40:7-8
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billiefan2000
June 23rd, 2008, 11:02 AM
2 Timothy 4:3-4


For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.


They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

susanb
June 23rd, 2008, 11:24 AM
All the teachers and preachers who are apostate or semi-apostate (if there is such a thing) are essentially saying the same thing:

Doctrine is a thing of the past.

Rick Warren pushes his "second reformation", leaving behind doctrine (don't use the word "repentance", just "change your mind")

Erwin McManus uses "the barbarian way" to exclude sound doctrine.

The WF movement (K. Copeland, Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, Fred Price, Casey Treat, etc) uses MONEY to change doctrine.

The insidious threads of "doctrine is a thing of the past" are everywhere, trying in vain to suck the Life out of those who stand fast on the Word of God. Whether it's promoting, or referencing in a positive way, someone who is apostate, it all comes out the same in the end as billiefan stated above.

Sing4Him
June 23rd, 2008, 12:11 PM
I believe they deceive "followers" by using the term "historical Christianity" and "Vintage Christianity"-

It relays the message of getting back to the Bible, but in actuality, it is one of man's pulling scriptural out of context.

(contextualization)

billiefan2000
June 24th, 2008, 01:02 PM
I believe they deceive "followers" by using the term "historical Christianity" and "Vintage Christianity"-


(contextualization)

I agree with you sing4him

I BTW am sick of hearing christians and churches use the words "vintage" and "relevant"

cause it raises red flags in my mind automatically when I hear preachers use either of those words