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Pioneer Woman
June 13th, 2007, 10:56 AM
In Hebrews 13:8, it says "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever".

If you go back to John 1:1 it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

Then we read the scripture about how the Holy Spirit inspired the writers of the Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16

I have read and heard so many times from people, on various subjects say things like well, what God said was for then, or what God said do/don't do was for people at this or that time.

But I don't think that's true. I think what God said do/don't do or what is/isn't applies today as much as it did when it was originally written.

God knew people would be alive today, reading the Bible, so if what others say is true, seems to me God would have written in addition to what we already read, that this is for "this century" ect. I think God makes clear what's for the people for then and what's for people for always.

I hope this is all making sense and not confusing. :panic It's just that it doesn't set right in my heart when I hear people justify doing things or not doing things, by saying that applied "back then".

I'm not talking about us not being under the law now. That's true, though I do find often people use that to justify living as they please oftentimes. I'm just talking about in general, I hear/read things about this or that in God's word not applying to us today, and I just can't believe that's true.

What do ya'll think? :scratch
HeIsEnough
June 13th, 2007, 11:50 AM
What do ya'll think? :scratch

I am the last person who wants to be a shill for dispenational theology, but things must be understood in that light in order to understand how the scriptures apply to us. Generally speaking, it takes being saved to 'live out', as it were, all the commands of the Lord. The commands we have are to love God, love our fellow man. If a person truly does this empowered by the Spirit, they will not break God's law. If a person looks to the written word as their 'guidline', as it were, they will never be able to 'live out' the commands, all the while demanding everyone needs to 'live out' the commands. Hope that made some sense.
Hootmon
June 13th, 2007, 11:52 AM
The 'spirit' of the law never went out of force. Only the 'letter' of the law did...

One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
(Mat 22:35-40)
Hootmon
June 13th, 2007, 11:54 AM
I am the last person who wants to be a shill for dispenational theology,...:spy


...but things must be understood in that light in order to understand how the scriptures apply to us. Generally speaking, it takes being saved to 'live out', as it were, all the commands of the Lord. The commands we have are to love God, love our fellow man. If a person truly does this empowered by the Spirit, they will not break God's law. If a person looks to the written word as their 'guidline', as it were, they will never be able to 'live out' the commands, all the while demanding everyone needs to 'live out' the commands. Hope that made some sense.:nod
PickensSlim
June 13th, 2007, 12:18 PM
If G-d's word is not applicable to us in the culture then the culture is wrong.

Slim
HeIsEnough
June 13th, 2007, 12:18 PM
:spy


There are definitely better around here then me. :)
Hoot!
jorjean
June 13th, 2007, 05:12 PM
"The Bible is living and sharp as a two edged sword". Chuck Missler. You quoted John1:1 in your posting, why would you doubt what it reads? The Bible is Gods love letter to His people. God is the same now as He was then. Just check out Gen. 15. His covenant with Abraham is uncondtional and still in effect. Israel still gets the land.
If you study the Word you find instuction on everything from money to child rearing to marrige. It's in there. It is our life manual, or should be.
Pioneer Woman
June 13th, 2007, 05:50 PM
"The Bible is living and sharp as a two edged sword". Chuck Missler. You quoted John1:1 in your posting, why would you doubt what it reads? The Bible is Gods love letter to His people. God is the same now as He was then. Just check out Gen. 15. His covenant with Abraham is uncondtional and still in effect. Israel still gets the land.
If you study the Word you find instuction on everything from money to child rearing to marrige. It's in there. It is our life manual, or should be.

Jorjean :hug

I don't doubt at all, what John 1:1 reads. I used the scriptures I chose to explain where I stood, in that I do believe God's word is for us today. However, there seems to be many who think different, and I wanted to understand why they would think different.

The Bible is without a doubt God's love letter to us, and a life manual to us as well, if only folks would allow it to be.

By the way, I love listening to Chuck Missler. He has so many interesting and infomative things to talk about! :)
Pioneer Woman
June 13th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Thanks everyone for your responses.

PickensSlim, that was a great statement there. Short, to the point and so true!
jorjean
June 13th, 2007, 11:21 PM
I guess that is why Christ issued The Great Commision,to go out and make diciples of all the world,so that they would know The Word. They will be held accoutable for what they knew and did not do.