More Evidence Against Energy Crisis

[Issachar]

Ok, my wife turns on the noon news. They end with the opening of a manmade waterfall in New York. $15,000,000 and higher than the statue of liberty. It just looks like a wall sticking up in the middle of nowhere with LOTS of harbor water running off the top. Can you imagine the amount of electricity needed to pump that much water to the top? Energy shortage? I don't think so. Something is rigged somewhere. I'm obviously not saying this because of this one waterfall .... there are countless amounts of energy used 24/7 in the U.S. and I suspect other countries, that is not needed ... I'd venture a guess of at least 50%. When I think of the word "crisis", I don't think of inconvenience, I think of folks not having what they NEED.

just another observation ....

Issachar

[felixthecat]

Yes ... and I dare say that 1 degree in temperature change worldwide is hardly a "crisis". In fact that 1 degree is being offset to basically no change since it is cooling. People are being lied to. The only ones benefiting from this "crisis" are the "green folks" and those that advocate the "global waming crisis". You and I are getting soaked - $$$$ and offered a more primative life style.

[robinhoooood]

Ok, my wife turns on the noon news. They end with the opening of a manmade waterfall in New York. $15,000,000 and higher than the statue of liberty. It just looks like a wall sticking up in the middle of nowhere with LOTS of harbor water running off the top. Can you imagine the amount of electricity needed to pump that much water to the top? Energy shortage? I don't think so. Something is rigged somewhere. I'm obviously not saying this because of this one waterfall .... there are countless amounts of energy used 24/7 in the U.S. and I suspect other countries, that is not needed ... I'd venture a guess of at least 50%. When I think of the word "crisis", I don't think of inconvenience, I think of folks not having what they NEED.

just another observation ....

Issachar

A crisis is any energy not available to further profits and growth in every sector... at at leas a majority... I mean right? Your right there are things we don't need to consume.. but we do and that makes companies money and so on.... our current economic scale is based on cheap energy and mass consumption... if you cannot consume in America you are hurting the economy....

Furthermore, Right now other countries are having to give up oil and fuel because they are being priced out of the market so that we may continue to live normally... this can only go on unnoticed for so long... and when shortages do finally become reality it will be a very slippery slope into a disaster as people begin to hoard gas and food... and if you cannot rapidly take care of that shortage.... well I think you understand.

So yes it is a crisis if the potential for that type of scenario exists... the crisis is having the POTENTIAL for that to happen... after it happens I think we will be using words like... Catastrophe... etc

[Issachar]

... if you cannot consume in America you are hurting the economy.... and unpatriotic. I remember the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas a couple days after 9/11 being on tee vee and saying that it is our patriotic duty to spend, spend, spend. Now is not the time to save.

Such is the reality of fiat systems. Saving is anathema to them. That's why they must play a very delicate game of balancing. If things change too rapidly, people get more conservative and spend less. They can't allow that so they loosen things up a bit which results in inflation and if that gets too crazy, they go the other way again. It's sort of like balancing a pole on the end of your finger and you have to constantly be moving your finger in and out and back and forth to keep it balanced. They have tools available to keep them going longer; e.g. very integrated, high speed computer network systems on a global scale, but they too are man-made and will fail.

Issachar

[robinhoooood]

and unpatriotic. I remember the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas a couple days after 9/11 being on tee vee and saying that it is our patriotic duty to spend, spend, spend. Now is not the time to save.

Such is the reality of fiat systems. Saving is anathema to them. That's why they must play a very delicate game of balancing. If things change too rapidly, people get more conservative and spend less. They can't allow that so they loosen things up a bit which results in inflation and if that gets too crazy, they go the other way again. It's sort of like balancing a pole on the end of your finger and you have to constantly be moving your finger in and out and back and forth to keep it balanced. They have tools available to keep them going longer; e.g. very integrated, high speed computer network systems on a global scale, but they too are man-made and will fail.

Issachar

I agree they will fail... however in my opinion there is going to be a squeeze on energy worldwide... and this time putting things back together will not be easy to do on a diet of less energy.... of course if the rapture occurs within this time frame... energy for the world will not be an issue... for us or the world :)

[Maggie]

Well, my dh and I haven't always been too bright about the things we did but I will say this - for some reason we have always had the notion that if we built our own little cottage on our own pc. of land and had some woods to hunt in and a garden and some chickens out back - not owing anybody anything - loans and mortgages and the like - if we owned our vehicles - then we were quite secure, materially. I like to buy things at rummages when I can or used stores. I haven't been very patriotic, I guess, if being patriotic means going to the mall and having a new car and a big, expensive house.
What would happen if more people lived like this? Would our economy falter because of it?

[robinhoooood]

Well, my dh and I haven't always been too bright about the things we did but I will say this - for some reason we have always had the notion that if we built our own little cottage on our own pc. of land and had some woods to hunt in and a garden and some chickens out back - not owing anybody anything - loans and mortgages and the like - if we owned our vehicles - then we were quite secure, materially. I like to buy things at rummages when I can or used stores. I haven't been very patriotic, I guess, if being patriotic means going to the mall and having a new car and a big, expensive house.
What would happen if more people lived like this? Would our economy falter because of it?

We didn't used to be dependent on consumption... I mean every economy is to some extent... but only of necessities... We used to manufacture things in America... We are so highly dependent on the consumer for our economy now it is absurd... I think we account for 70% of the economy! So yes... if the consumer starts pulling back in a large way due to whatever reason.. yes our economy will suffer.... of course if everyone was setup like you... the only people that would hurt from it are the fat cats.... but we are just as dependent on the system as they are now.. because no one is self sufficient to any degree...

[saint-in-training]

But it's nearly impossible to backtrack now, you know? Now we have to find solutions for the here and now. People (like me) bought homes almost an hour from their workplace. So, what now, should we sell our houses (with the horrible market there is) to move closer. We are living a life here that we thought was secure and typical. Now we're being told we are indulgent and that we need to pitch a tent, save the animals, and revert to cave-dwelling. And most of the time it comes from some hot shot who flies around in a personal jet. I'm all for cutting back to what we need for survival, but it's kind of hard to tell the american people that now that we've become accustomed to living the way we live[We=average mid to upper class](excluding seriously obviously over-indulgent people)now we have to move next door to work, shop at the local farmers market, and stay home for vacation to save energy. I'm all for conserving and not driving 100 miles if I don't have to, but I wouldn't call myself a gas-guzzler.

[robinhoooood]

But it's nearly impossible to backtrack now, you know? Now we have to find solutions for the here and now. People (like me) bought homes almost an hour from their workplace. So, what now, should we sell our houses (with the horrible market there is) to move closer. We are living a life here that we thought was secure and typical. Now we're being told we are indulgent and that we need to pitch a tent, save the animals, and revert to cave-dwelling. And most of the time it comes from some hot shot who flies around in a personal jet. I'm all for cutting back to what we need for survival, but it's kind of hard to tell the american people that now that we've become accustomed to living the way we live[We=average mid to upper class](excluding seriously obviously over-indulgent people)now we have to move next door to work, shop at the local farmers market, and stay home for vacation to save energy. I'm all for conserving and not driving 100 miles if I don't have to, but I wouldn't call myself a gas-guzzler.

The conservation that is required is massive... Al Gore is a joke... and he never mentions basically that in order to meet the goals they have for carbon output and energy conservation you basically have to stop the world economy and go backwards...

Keep in mind this is not our fault... this was just bad planing all around... and a failure to recognize that resources could become scarce someday and we should plan accordingly... The entire suburban setup in this country is entirely unsustainable. Your right we can't ask people to change now... and the congress and prez know that.... that is why they are not asking haha... or at least they are being very subtle so far... no this change will be forced upon us by the constraining factors of an energy diet that must be reduced.. in a big way. Changing your light bulbs for energy efficient ways and so forth is not going to be anywhere near enough, but that is what Gore wants people to think.