A Calvary Chapel not using Beth Moore

[Heartstorm]

Geesh I love Beth Moore :(

[FaithContender]

Wow, I didn't know she had gone that far. Shades of Peter Wagner and his crew. I knew she was into contemplative prayer (not just praying) and has been teaching women and men, but I didn't know about this stuff. How disappointing for you to go to her conference expecting encouragement thru the Word of God and then be confronted with such a bizarre meeting.

Yes, some older ladies from my church (at the time) convinced me to go with them (they were Beth Moore junkies) and that was actually the selling point they used. "Beth doesn't prepare anything beforehand because God gives her a new message when she gets there." So at the beginning of the conference Beth Moore told everyone just that very thing, and then she said that God's message to her for that weekend was that each of us had a big question in our lives that we needed answered and God was going to answer it by the end of the weekend. I actually had a HUGE question, and I did all the things she led us through (writing it down, praying it, shouting it, etc) and it was not answered that weekend like she had promised. Not only that, but her messages didn't flow at all. I found it very difficult to follow along and try to take notes. It was such a waste.:doh

God is faithful though, and answered the question in His time, like I always believed He would!:)

[billiefan2000]

got a email from a pastor of a Omaha area Methodist church after I sent him a email link of what Johnson said


here is his response:


Josh, I actually listened to this. It is, in my opinion, a very ill-informed message. The speaker confuses the gospel truth that Jesus is the way, the truth and life with his conviction that there is only one way to relate to Jesus—the speaker’s way.

In fact, the Bible makes it abundantly clear that different people will relate to Jesus in different ways.

Perhaps if Pastor Johnson read the book of Acts, he might find it in his heart to be a little less judgmental toward those who practice a different path of prayer and worship than the one he practices.

Yours in Christ, Bruce Davis

[HeLivesinMe]

Unfortunately, there's more to her than that. Have you ever been to one of her conferences? I went to one and it totally creeped me out. She doesn't prepare anything ahead of time, she just waits till "the Lord tells her what to say" and then goes from there. No exegeting Scripture or anything. In the middle of the conference I was at, she stopped and went, "I have received an impartation from the Lord..." The whole conference was nonsense. She had us yelling out our questions to God like it was some sort of spell that He would have to answer.:tsk:tsk:tsk

I went to a Beth Moore conference early in May. She told us that God laid on her heart the message she was to give a couple of weeks prior. She hadn't been to this particular venue for about 4 years, and she remembered specifically the message she gave then. We weren't shouting out things to be answered, and in all, the conference was very well put together. It was cohesive and flowed well. I felt the teaching we received was annointed.

I've read a number of things about Beth Moore, and the contemplative prayer thing has me concerned. However, that was not talked about at all. There was only teaching straight from the Bible.

[FaithContender]

I went to a Beth Moore conference early in May. She told us that God laid on her heart the message she was to give a couple of weeks prior. She hadn't been to this particular venue for about 4 years, and she remembered specifically the message she gave then. We weren't shouting out things to be answered, and in all, the conference was very well put together. It was cohesive and flowed well. I felt the teaching we received was annointed.

I've read a number of things about Beth Moore, and the contemplative prayer thing has me concerned. However, that was not talked about at all. There was only teaching straight from the Bible.

:hugI am glad your experience was better than mine! I saw her in 2005, so maybe she is on the right track now? I hope so:pray

[Wendyj]

:hugI am glad your experience was better than mine! I saw her in 2005, so maybe she is on the right track now? I hope so:pray

Is that her singing?

I dont have much experience with Beth MOore but many women really follow her. I enjoy Kay Arthur's Precept on Precept Bible Studies as we find out for ourselves what the Word says about itself.
I've learned how to do word studies and that we stand on every word from the mouth of God line on line and precept on precept. I thank God for those who love His Word and rightly divide it.

[dded]

Okay, I feel like I have to respond to this thread. I've read the many flaming accusations hurled at Beth Moore over the last several months and haven't said much. But I actually did attend the Deeper Still Event (Beth, Kay Arthur and Priscilla Schrier)in Atlanta last weekend along with 19,000 other women. And before you say that obviously I must not be very discerning or I would have picked up on the 'creepiness' (as one other poster put it), I am extremely discerning and am always very careful who's studies I listen to. I will have to say it was an absolutely wonderful event and you could feel the Holy Spirit very much present. Beth taught from a Bible Study and not just out of the air like the other person said they experienced. Kay Arthur spoke on the sinfulness of our society and I'm pretty sure you would have all agreed if you had heard it. Priscilla was awesome, she taught on Jeremiah. There was no weird mysticism or crazy stuff. I assure you it was straight out of the Bible. I personally have never heard or read anything from Beth Moore that I keep seeing here. And yes, I do read your links and your posts about it, but I think you could possibly be reading something into it that Beth in no way is trying to say. So anyway, I was very blessed by last weekend and talked to so many other women who were also very blessed by it. So I'm sure I'll get flamed and chastised for this, but I just could not stand seeing someone whom I really believe is a fellow believer being bashed so much. You know, just because someone interprets something in scripture in a different way, doesn't mean they are an unbeliever or not saved. I would venture to say from everything I've seen that Beth truly loves her Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And if she has interpreted something in error, then she will stand before Him someday and be corrected. Must we be so hard on others and self-righteously call it discernment?
Not trying to be contrary but I felt led to speak up.
OK Flame away!:candle

[Sing4Him]

No one here is flaming anyone.

What is stated here are facts of people using UNSCRIPTURAL applications to prayer and hearing from God.

Also apostasy on our board reveals those who present another gospel.


As far as Beth Moore is concerned, she is STILL an advocate of the "Be Still" DVD. That ENTIRE DVD is filled with Unscriptural prayer practices. They are based in Eastern Mysticism.

ALSO--- Pricilla Shrirer is on the DVD.

I would encourage any believer on this board to go rent the Be Still DVD and slowly go throught it on your own and hold what it states up to scripture.

I am also confident that you will find flaw in the entire thing.

Richard Foster narrates it and he is an apostate.. period. We have a full thread on this man that you can find under search. (Or I will post it after this post)


I would encourage you all to read this article written by Pastor Bob Dewaay.


Beth Moore’s Illicit Tent of Meeting



By Bob DeWaay

Critical Issues Commentary





Recently, on Ingrid Schlueter’s Web site here Beth Moore denies that she promotes approaches to prayer that have Eastern overtones. The issue arose from her participation on the Be Still DVD which has been critiqued on this site by Ingrid and then Brian Flynn. Brian and I viewed a segment of Beth Moore on that DVD. We found disconcerting her poor understanding of Exodus 33:7-11, the passage she uses as her proof text. In her discussion of Moses’ tent of meeting she proposes that each believer can have their own tent of meeting where they can go to have two way conversations with God.



Commenting on Exodus 33:7-11, Moore states: “It says all of them could have approached, but as Moses approached they would stand back and watch.” Then she implies that people are just standing back when they could have their own tent of meeting with God. Then she claims:



“The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.” That is part of contemplative prayer. When we sit back and realize that it is not just that we have something to say to God, it’s that God has something He has to say to us . . . I want to be in that tent of meeting.



Every believer, according to Moore, can have a private non-literal tent of meeting in which God will come and speak to him or her.



This claim introduces serious theological problems. Let us first examine the claim that it was God’s intention that every Israelite enter the tent of meeting. This is simply false. Moses was uniquely the mediator of the Old Covenant. God chose to speak His authoritative words to Moses alone. God said that it was good that only Moses heard God’s voice: “This is according to all that you asked of the Lord your God in Horeb on the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, let me not see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’ And the Lord said to me, ‘They have spoken well’” (Deut. 18:16, 17). In context Deuteronomy 18 was about prohibiting divination. God spoke to them through Moses and promised to send a future prophet like Moses; and when God sent that prophet, they should listen to Him (that prophet was Jesus; see Deut. 18:9-19; other passages in the New Testament claim Jesus was the one Moses predicted). Several Old Testament passages show that God spoke to Moses alone directly (Deut. 5:30, 31; Exo. 19:21-23; Exo. 20:19-21; Deut. 34:10).



When Moses’ unique role was challenged some very bad things happened to the challengers. In Numbers 12, Miriam and Aaron said this: “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us as well And the Lord heard it” (Num. 12:2). God called them out to the tent of meeting, and the cloud came down to the doorway of the tent. The result was, after God spoke about Moses’ unique role, Miriam was leprous (see Num. 12:2-10). In Leviticus 10, Nadab and Abihu tried to do things their own way and they died. In Numbers 16, Korah started a protest movement that denied Moses’ unique role and all who participated and their families dropped directly into Sheol (Num. 16:1-33). For good reason the people stayed at their own tents when Moses entered the tent of meeting—they did not want to die! Moore’s claim that God wanted them all to enter and receive personal revelations from God is false.



The New Testament makes it clear there is only one legitimate tent of meeting: Christ. Jesus, Peter, James and John ascended a mount in Mark 9; and Jesus was transfigured. During this event, Moses and Elijah appeared and were talking to Jesus. Here, three people who were God’s authoritative spokespersons, stood on one mount. So Peter determined that they should build three tabernacles (tents of meeting). Why? So they would have three places they could go to enquire of the Lord. But what happened? “Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, ‘This My beloved Son, listen to Him!’ And all at once they looked around and saw no one with them anymore, except Jesus alone” (Mark 9:4b, 5). The phrase “listen to Him” alludes to Deuteronomy 18 and shows that Jesus is the prophet Moses predicted. God provides but one tent of meeting—Jesus Himself. And that tent would not remain pitched on earth (John 1:14 says Jesus “tabernacled” among us).



The book of Hebrews elaborates on this. God has spoken through Jesus Christ in full and final revelation (Heb. 1:1, 2; Heb. 2:1-3 tells us that His apostles gave us Jesus’ authoritative words). Jesus is our High Priest who passed through the heavens and sits at the right hand of God where He carries out His mediatorial role. Hebrews 8:1, 2 claims that the true tabernacle is in heaven and was pitched by God, not man. This claim is repeated in Hebrews 9:11, 12. The entire book of Hebrews is about Christ’s unique role and warnings against apostasy for those who think they can come to God by some way other than Christ (in their case going back to the temple in Jerusalem and the earthly high priest and the blood of animals).



Hebrews also tells us the only way to draw near to God: through Christ who is in heaven and can only be seen by faith (Heb. 10:22; Heb. 11:1). All believers have the privilege of access to the throne of grace (Heb. 4:16). But there they find help in their time of need—not new, personal revelations.



The New Testament promises that if we come to God on His terms through Christ in prayer, He will listen. It does not promise us our own new words from God. The contemplative prayer movement wants what God is not offering: a way to feel closer to God and gain personal revelations. God has offered His Son so that we may draw near to God, not feel near to God. Many who are on the road to Hell feel near to God. Many who are truly saved sometimes do not feel near to God. There is nothing in Hebrews that promises we will feel near to God. To draw near is to come to God through faith in Christ and His once for all shed blood, and abide by faith in the terms of the covenant. To draw near is to have access to the throne of grace in prayer.



Beth Moore teaches error on the Be Still DVD. She claims that in the Old Testament God wanted each person to enter the Tent of Meeting; this is false. The tent of meeting that Moses entered was a precursor to the Tabernacle. Only the high priest on the Day of Atonement could enter the holy place in God’s presence and even he could do so only under the terms God revealed to Moses. Moore claims that we can each have a tent of meeting; this is false. There is one tent of meeting, it is Jesus Christ who entered the heavenly tabernacle and sits at the right hand of God. God commanded us to listen to Him, not to seek new information from God that He has not already spoken through Christ and His apostles. Moore wants to distance herself from mysticism, but her own words dangerously mislead people. Rather than pointing people to illicit tents of meeting not ordained by God, she should have pointed them to Jesus, the mediator of the New Covenant, the blood atonement, and the throne of grace. Being dissatisfied with what God has provided is very dangerous, as certain individuals in the Old Testament discovered for themselves.



For further study on this issue, I have provided an audio clip of Beth Moore’s tent of meeting claim, followed by an my exposition of Scripture from the Old and New Testaments explaining the true significance of the tent of meeting and warnings about unbiblical techniques: here, listen:http://www.twincityfellowship.com/audio/tent_of_meeting.mp3





http://www.erwm.com/BobDeWaay5.htm

[Sing4Him]

SOUTHERN BAPTIST BIBLE TEACHER BETH MOORE


The idols among the smooth stones of the ravines are your portion; they, they are your lot. Yes, to them you have poured out drink offerings and offered grain offerings. In the light of these things, should I relent? You have made your bed on a high and lofty hill; there you went up to offer your sacrifices.

Behind your doors and your doorposts you have put your pagan symbols. Forsaking Me, you uncovered your bed, you climbed into it and opened it wide; you made a pact with those whose beds you love, and you looked on their nakedness. (Isaiah 57:6-8)

Climbing In Bed With Spiritual Harlots

In the section Cloud of Witnesses: Contemplative Figures Throughout History of the Be Still...And Know That I Am God DVD Beth Moore gives us some very revealing information concerning this growing apostasy. Her misguided words reveal it really is as I have been warning here at Apprising Ministries, there is a growing apostasy absolutely rampant within the Ecumenical Church of Deceit (ECoD) of the new evangelicalism.

Since I haven’t been attending meetings in the SBC I hadn’t realized until recently that those letters now stand for “Slowly Becoming Catholic.” In Be Still Beth Moore says:

You know, one of the things that time gives us is that it erases the lines in between people so many different sections of the people of God. Because many years later it doesn’t matter any longer that this person was of this practice in the Christian faith and this person of another. Time somehow blurs those lines and we are profoundly moved by the historical narratives of all their lives, of so great a cloud of witnesses; that we can look back on and see what kept them running the race, what kept them running toward the face of Christ at the end of that finish line. (channel 1, 00:18-00:50)
So what do you suppose renowned SBC “Bible teacher” Beth Moore is talking about in this section dedicated to the praise of so-called “Christian” mystics who were practitioners of apostate Roman Catholicism when she says that time “erases the lines.” She’s referring to the Reformation during which many of Christ’s beloved children were brutally murdered at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church. O, but now “time” has somehow erased all of this. No it hasn’t.

Rather, it is the work of gutless professing Christians, who are themselves right now covered in the blood of these martyrs, who are doing so through the pagan idolatry of contemplative spirituality. And if the Lord chooses to sustain me I will have more to say about this travesty in the days to come.
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/05/southern_baptis_8.html

[Sing4Him]

another good article:

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/ingrid/evangelical-comtemplative.htm