One Third of Mankind Killed

[Daughter]

I was talking with someone today who mentioned that his pastor said that "The way things are going, this prophecy could very well happen within the next 18 months".

I reminded him that this could not be so because this is going to happen during the second half of the Tribulation, therefore during the last 3-1/2 years.

We are not even in Tribulation times so he is way off. Correct?

[Jubilee21]

A great majority of eschatologians type the first seal's kingly conqueror with Christ and His church rapture.

Revelation 6:1-2
1 And I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, "Come."
2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him; and he went out conquering, and to conquer.



a conqueror ridden white,
war ridden red,
famine ridden black, and
death ridden pale bolt into John's prophetic view.

They are Revelation's infamous "four horsemen of the pocalypse" (apocalupsis: "revelation"; to uncover, or unveil).

Other expositors type him as Satan's antichrist.

They do so because he isn't identified as Christ in 19:11,12,16, and type his arrowless bow as representative of the false peace that will come initially through the antichrist's rule.

In this position the white-steeded conqueror inaugurates the Great Tribulation while confirming traditional scholarship's sequence of a Revelation 4:3 rapture of the church.

A third less popular view types the first Horseman of the Apocalypse with the image of false religion that has convoluted the church and society since Jesus appeared. His royal appearance and symbolic lack of power (arrowless bow) present a convincing "style and no substance" picture of the wolf in sheep's clothing Jesus warned of in Matthew 7:15

Depending on which view one holds..the timing of the Rapture is the issue with how to do the rest of the math..that and how many folks are Raptured..from the Pre-Trib perspective..the Church would be gone, and then the calculations would have to be based upon the remaining population and the events that follow..

But just hypothetically speaking and leaving this out as a factor you could guestimate the number of folks who would be around prior to the seven year covenent being signed , which for me personally indicates the begining of the Seven years of Tribulation , then triggers all the other events.:idunno

Its confusing to me to be honest..as to if there must be a war that precipitiates the need for the covenent, or not..others can shed light on this perhaps..:). I would hope and prefer the Rapture takes place before this myself.

In this event a period of warsor other events could happen ..then the Rapture, then the signing of the covenet, and then the 7 years of Tribulation if I understand this correctly..

again just an observation of why your Pastor may be coming from where he is with his math and timing of events..depending on when He believes the Rapture will take place and the restof the details..:thinking


Revelation 6:8
8 And I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him. And authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

The description of the fourth rider's events and his chronological sequence with Jesus' prophesied Great Tribulation presents compelling evidence that he is symbolic of the antichrist.

The color of his horse is a pale "deathly" looking yellow/green (chloros "ashen" NAS, "pale", KJV). His name is "Death" (thanatos: "terror", or, "death, and the fear of it"), and the place of his work (hades) follows with him. One could almost imagine an entourage' of disembodied spirits crowding behind his footsteps as he pulls an open grave.


Revelation 6:8b
8 ...And authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.

If hypothetically, this rider's dispensation were to occur within the next 3.5 years (2,012 A.D.), and if over the period until then the rate of population increases in proportion with the way that it already has, 7.3 billion people will inhabit the planet by the time of his latter day ride.

1/4 of the worlds population would be 1.85 billion people

Maybe your Pastor believes the Rapture takes place at the mid point and that the Great Tribulation is where all the events begin to unfold in a different sequence of the last 3 years..:idunno

[Jubilee21]

:thinking

Since the details of what is going to happen during the Tribulation are so horrendous, I try not to crunch the numbers to try to imagine how many will die..the picture is so sad

But I don't recall ever hearing only 1/3 of the worlds population will die..its a lot worse than that..

One third of all vegetation will be burned up. All grass, every tree, everything green will be destroyed (see Rev. 8:7).

• The sun and the moon will be darkened as nature goes into revolt (see Rev. 8:12).

• The gates of hell will open and hordes of locusts, the size of horses, will come upon the earth. Those locusts will be allowed to sting men like scorpions and the pain will last for five months. The Bible says men will beg God to let them die but they will not die (see Rev. 9:3-6).

• There will be worldwide famine unlike anything the world has ever seen (see Rev. 18:8).

• There will be a world war so bloody that the blood of those killed in battle will flow for two hundred miles up to the bridle of a horse in the valley of Jezreel. This will be the Battle of Armageddon (see Rev. 14:20).
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I have and continue to hope that the Rapture will predeed all of this taking place..

So with that being the case, this event IMHO, would remove a lot of folks from the remaining population..give or take a billion living souls at that time..then those who were martyered for Christ , between then and the remaining 7 million souls left alive .

Maybe 1/3 of the original population if we "started" with 7 billion souls and lives :idunno would end up with Christ and the rest in a lot of deep trouble for their choices to reject Him.

This is all hypothetical if we worked around todays population numbers and the projected numbers for 2012..

So if we started with 7 billion as the world population, and used 20% of the population that were raptured or died as a result of folks disappearing..

1.4 billion people would be gone out of 7 million..

Using the first judgement of the seals being broken..as the start of the 7 years, precipitated by Israel signing the false peace covenent..

The first half of those 3.5 years is where 1/4 of the remaining population of 5.6 billion people would die from all those horrors of the four horsemen..
That would leave 4.2 billion folks alive..at the mid point..and what I would call the Great Tribulation, where all hell breaks lose and the remaining judgements are released upon the world as described in the quote above.

Over the course of all these events..each one describes the earth being destroyed in portions of 1/3 thru catastrophic conditions that continue to cause catastrophic death rates..as does the persecution of the Saints and their deaths, then more wars, along side of God's supernatural intervention.

I don't see how even 1/2 of the remaining population could survive IMHO..but if they were..theoretically half of 4.2 billion of the folks left at the mid point would be 2.1 billion prior to Christs return..and at the point of the battle of Armageddon

Starting at 7 billion the world population would drop in seven years to 2.1 billion plus or minus 1/3 of the original population would be left..depending on how many were Raptured..and at what point..

Christ said if He did not intervene, there would be no one left alive..

so He does intervene, and there are some left alive, but I attribute to this to be for the Remnent..who will be the smaller sector of those left..bit still "multitudes" the eye could not count when they come forward..so even 10 % to 30% of the last 2.1 billion people left alive at this point would meet that prophetical image and condition..

Personally I think thats the only way there would be enough folks left for a war so bloody the blood would rise to a horses bridle for two hundred miles, and these would have to be the lost folks who accepted Satans mark..the last 66.6 % of the world population of 2.1 billion folks would be around 1.3 billion, the other 7 million would be the folks left to fill the earth during the Millineum age..following the end of the 7 years of Tribulation.

They would do this along with the ones Raptured at the onset..and those who died in the middle..about 1/3 of the original population, if that..

Something could obviously happen to change the worlds population drastically before any of these things transpired too..

its all just guestimating , but we do have a frame work of how many die, how, and would be left if we approached it this way..as we have Christs word on it that it wil be horrible and why we need to chose Him before any of this transpires and there is hell to pay for making the wrong choice on both sides of the grave for those that do.:preach

[antitox]

I was talking with someone today who mentioned that his pastor said that "The way things are going, this prophecy could very well happen within the next 18 months".

I reminded him that this could not be so because this is going to happen during the second half of the Tribulation, therefore during the last 3-1/2 years.

We are not even in Tribulation times so he is way off. Correct?

Yip. :)