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Sing4Him
July 13th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Focus on the Family: Helping to Bring About a Generation of Parent Mystics?

A Lighthouse Trails Commentary

Next February, CCN (Church Communication Network) is presenting Beth Moore and Gary Thomas in a special Focus on the Family conference called Focus on Marriage. This is coming on the heels of a statement recently made by Focus on the Family that they only "occasionally" reference contemplative speakers such as Gary Thomas and Beth Moore and should not be accused of promoting contemplative spirituality. For Focus on the Family to say they only occasionally reference contemplative authors, all the while knowing they are about to present an entire conference with those same authors is not being up front. Such doublespeak should not be so. Beth Moore participated in the contemplative Be Still DVD and then later, through a ministry letter (see article below), acknowledged that she sees nothing wrong with the DVD or its subject matter. In addition, in her book When Godly People Do Ungodly Things, Moore touts contemplative favorite Brennan Manning as having been "one of the most remarkable books" (p. 290) she has ever read. Gary Thomas tells readers to repeat a word for 20 minutes to enter the silence (Sacred Pathways) and points readers (throughout his book Sacred Marriage) to a woman who promotes and instructs on tantric sex.

One of Gary Thomas' books that Focus on the Family sells, promotes (and defends) is Sacred Parenting. Thomas devotes an entire chapter to contemplative spirituality, calling it the "active discipline" of "true listening," and says it is the way we can "seize heaven and invite God's presence into our lives" (pp. 58-59). In that chapter, Thomas names two people who he says brought about the "biggest change in my prayer life" as "a result of reading" their material: contemplative mystic Teresa of Avila and Frank Buchman. Buchman was the initiator of Moral Re-Armament, now called Initiatives of Change, an organization working towards inter-faith globalization. Buchman was a controversial figure, partly due to his 1930s public statements showing admiration for Adolph Hitler's leadership skills and stand against communism. Buchman was of the belief that if the world could find the right leader, even if he was a dictator, if he believed in God, he could change the whole world overnight. And according to cult expert Dave Hunt, Buchman was involved in both mysticism and the occult:

MRA founder Frank Buchman ... embraced new revelations through occult guidance [and] helped to set the stage for the New Age movement.... He inspired thousands on all continents to meditate ... decades before Maharishi Mahesh Yogi left India. (Hunt, Adaptation of Occult Invasion, 1998)
In Buchman's book, Remaking the World, he talks about a "new world order" in which a "world-wide spiritual awakening" is the only hope with a "new illumination" for "everyone" (pp.4-5). Buchman describes his new world order much like the hope of some present day Christian leaders with dominionist views and a dream of a three-legged stool (religion, government, and business) as the world's only chance of survival. Gary Thomas devotes three entire pages to Buchman in Sacred Parenting.

Teresa of Avila, also in Sacred Parenting, was a Carmelite nun who levitated during mystical trances. In Sacred Parenting, Gary Thomas refers to Teresa's book The Interior Castle, and he lays out the steps in contemplative prayer, including Teresa's "prayer of recollection," in which the mind "stop[s] thinking" with the use of repeating a mantra(p. 62). 2

All things considered, Sacred Parenting hardly seems like it will be a "tremendous help and a great inspiration to those moms and dads who choose to take advantage of its message," as Focus on the Family insists.1

In addition to Focus on the Family's promotion of contemplative authors like Moore, Thomas, and Larry Crabb, Focus on the Family's own H.B. London has brought Richard Foster on board through London's Spiritual Formation series. Lighthouse Trails believes Focus on the Family is helping to propagate the contemplative message, and in so doing will help bring about a generation of parent mystics.
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From a recent letter from Focus on the Family (see link above for full letter):
Lighthouse Trails ... assertion that Focus on the Family is "promoting" Contemplative Prayer and Spirituality is neither fair nor accurate. It is true that we have occasionally referenced speakers and authors who deal with subjects of this nature - individuals such as Richard Foster, Gary Thomas, Larry Crabb, and Beth Moore. But this, in our opinion, is not the same thing as "promoting" contemplative prayer. The truth of the matter is that we have far too much else on our plate to become involved in any such activity. The heart of our outreach is practical family ministry.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/

His Bride
July 14th, 2008, 11:12 AM
This really bothers me. I raised my children with the help of this ministry. I was a brand new Christian and used many of FOTF's resources. Now I can no longer recommend them to other families because they are allowing this to creep into their programs and resources.

Avonlea
July 15th, 2008, 02:09 AM
i'm sure any ministry as large as Focus On The Family won't get it right 100% of the time.

maybe Rapture Ready could have a forum in which we can discuss both the positives and negatives of our brothers and sisters in Christ. the only reason i am asking, is that sometimes when all you read about is areas in which a ministry fails to pass the 100% of the time, we don't pause and give thanks for the fact that 99% of the time they do get it right.

take Focus On The Family, a wonderful organization which has blessed my family for years. is this particular forum limited to criticisms, or are we allowed to discuss the ministry in general.

i think sometimes we lose sight of the 99% that is Scriptural, Biblical and honors Jesus, and dwell on the 1% we disagree with. if discussing both the pros and cons of these ministries is not allowed on this forum, i don't want to cause anyone to be upset with my posts.

as long as we discuss these things with the right Spirit, i would think it could be very beneficial to everyone. i have seen such a sweet spirit in these forums. let's all pray for Dr. Dobson that the Lord gives him wisdom, ask God to show him in the areas he is wrong, and give praise to Jesus for all the people who have been brought to the Saviour through this outstanding ministry.

His Bride
July 15th, 2008, 08:53 AM
I think that having a forum which brings up the good teachings from preachers and minitries may be a good idea. This one, however, is called Apostasy. It's to list the doctrines that are not scriptural and point out the teachers who are embracing them.

Yes, I raised my family with FOTF materials. I used to listen to the radio shows daily. Unfortunately, once again, I find that I have to question them. When that happens, it's over for me.

HeIsEnough
July 15th, 2008, 08:58 AM
maybe Rapture Ready could have a forum in which we can discuss both the positives and negatives of our brothers and sisters in Christ. the only reason i am asking, is that sometimes when all you read about is areas in which a ministry fails to pass the 100% of the time, we don't pause and give thanks for the fact that 99% of the time they do get it right.

I'm not quite sure I get this concept as it relates to doctrine.

I understand issues which are debatable, and I understand preferences, I don't understand "percentages right"

If someone points out the 1% wrong and they correct it, they become 100% correct.


take Focus On The Family, a wonderful organization which has blessed my family for years. is this particular forum limited to criticisms, or are we allowed to discuss the ministry in general.

We all know of the good work that FOTF has done through the years, but you are indeed missing the point of this forum. Take a good read of this again:


Next February, CCN (Church Communication Network) is presentingBeth Moore and Gary Thomas in a special Focus on the Family conference called Focus on Marriage. This is coming on the heels of a statement recently made by Focus on the Family that they only "occasionally" reference contemplative speakers such as Gary Thomas and Beth Moore and should not be accused of promoting contemplative spirituality. For Focus on the Family to say they only occasionally reference contemplative authors, all the while knowing they are about to present an entire conference with those same authors is not being up front. Such doublespeak should not be so.

This is a problem sister, and you should stick to the problem as it is presented. You can't assign a percentage to this, and think it ok. This has nothing to do with whether anyone here is correct 100% of the time as some sort of comparison, as some attempt to discredit others, not saying you do. We all need to treat the corrections seriously, I know I do when things have been pointed out to me.

This is about exactly what is stated above, and how it is a problem.


i think sometimes we lose sight of the 99% that is Scriptural, Biblical and honors Jesus, and dwell on the 1% we disagree with. if discussing both the pros and cons of these ministries is not allowed on this forum, i don't want to cause anyone to be upset with my posts.

As you know, this is a difficult forum, and its cannot function under a "pro's and con's" mentality. We could get the scales out, weigh everyone and as long as we come out 51%+, we do more good then harm. This is not how false teaching and doctrine works. It may very well be that the Lord will judge their hearts in ways we are unaware of at the moment, but thats not the point. The point is the falseness of what is presented, and to point it out. The fact that they qualify their words with "we are not supporting or promoting this teaching.........but" is even more worrisome to me. It means they know there are problems, but they march on as if there are not. That should be unacceptable to you.

BLESSED BEYOND BELIEF
July 15th, 2008, 10:21 AM
1 Corinthians 5:6 A little leavening, leavens the whole loaf. So the percentages can be small but the amount doesn't matter according to this Scripture.

Saved405
July 15th, 2008, 10:37 AM
i'm sure any ministry as large as Focus On The Family won't get it right 100% of the time.

maybe Rapture Ready could have a forum in which we can discuss both the positives and negatives of our brothers and sisters in Christ. the only reason i am asking, is that sometimes when all you read about is areas in which a ministry fails to pass the 100% of the time, we don't pause and give thanks for the fact that 99% of the time they do get it right.

take Focus On The Family, a wonderful organization which has blessed my family for years. is this particular forum limited to criticisms, or are we allowed to discuss the ministry in general.

i think sometimes we lose sight of the 99% that is Scriptural, Biblical and honors Jesus, and dwell on the 1% we disagree with. if discussing both the pros and cons of these ministries is not allowed on this forum, i don't want to cause anyone to be upset with my posts.

as long as we discuss these things with the right Spirit, i would think it could be very beneficial to everyone. i have seen such a sweet spirit in these forums. let's all pray for Dr. Dobson that the Lord gives him wisdom, ask God to show him in the areas he is wrong, and give praise to Jesus for all the people who have been brought to the Saviour through this outstanding ministry.

I agree with Avonlea. I mean just because FOTF makes one mistake that they may not even realize just yet cause them to be "unholy" to other Christians. I have listened and will continue to listen to their radio programs. Their programs are filled with the Spirit and Dr. Dobson is a true man of God. Why beat him down just because of 1 little thing.

Dont you think that is a little to religious? What happend to the love of Jesus? What happened to just opening up your arms and giving someone some of that same love that Jesus gave us? :hug:hug

RachelsDream
July 15th, 2008, 10:46 AM
I agree Saved..........

The RR Board sometimes fail to realize we have not entered into the "Perfect Church/Ministry" yet because, we have NOT gone home yet.

This is NOT to say that we should "embrace" heresy but Focus on the Family is now a target? Come on,.....................this is totally laughable.

:tsk

I think we need to prayerfully consider our actions on this board when it comes to attacking fellow Christians and their Ministries. Kinda reminds me of when Jesus drew a line in the sand.:)

HeIsEnough
July 15th, 2008, 10:51 AM
So, y'all want to persist in this, yes?

After its made abundantly clear by the board leadership, y'all still desire to question what we do and why we do it?

I have actually peaceably and with all sincerity given you reasons you should consider. I find it sad you choose to ignore it, and I will close this thread for review by the board leadership.

Maybe a line in the sand is not such a bad idea. :)

His Bride
July 15th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Last I checked this forum's title is "Apostasy." No one here is saying that any of these ministers are bad people! This is information intended to warn believers about some of the false teaching and the preachers who are involved in it. What each of us does with this information is up to us.