The AOD was all that Jesus quoted from daniel...

[jeshurun]

Would someone here care to enlighten me where in scripture it says 666 will be a repeat of everything else that Antiochus Epiphanes IV ever did as the main object of the prophecies in Daniel?

Jesus only mentioned the AOD; so how did you all come to the conclusion that everything in daniel will happen again? For the life of me, no matter how I keep going over it in my head, I can't figure how.

Thanks.

[ikester]

Would someone here care to enlighten me where in scripture it says 666 will be a repeat of everything else that Antiochus Epiphanes IV ever did as the main object of the prophecies in Daniel?

Jesus only mentioned the AOD; so how did you all come to the conclusion that everything in daniel will happen again? For the life of me, no matter how I keep going over it in my head, I can't figure how.

Thanks.

hey jeshurun....I'm wondering how parts of Daniel ( mainly ch.8 ) are applied to Antiochus Epiphanes anyway.....ch.7 refers to the little horn and the ten horns....which is the a/c... and few people refute it's the a/c....

then in Daniel 8... the vision has the little horn again...where Gabriel declares a time of the end prophecy....so why do people apply it to Epiphanes....even tho his acts may have been a fore shadow....

I may be off topic as to what your seeking....

[jeshurun]

Its history. Its mainly the period from Alexander the Great (4th beast & male goat) and his successors to Antiochus Epiphanes IV.

[BlessedinHim]

It was only a partially fulfilled prophecy. It will happen again in its entirety as written in the book of Revelation as will all the prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled that is written anywhere in the bible.

[jeshurun]

I would like to see where in scripture it says that.

[Kamatu]

I would like to see where in scripture it says that.

Your question is not clear. What portions of Daniel are you referring to? It would be helpful if you put down your interpretation.

Now it is trivial to prove that Christians (at least of the preTrib rapturist variety that this forum support) don't think that everything in the book of Daniel will be fulfilled again and I assume you don't mean that, so which portions are you actually having an issue with ?

[jeshurun]

Your question is not clear. What portions of Daniel are you referring to? It would be helpful if you put down your interpretation.

Now it is trivial to prove that Christians (at least of the preTrib rapturist variety that this forum support) don't think that everything in the book of Daniel will be fulfilled again and I assume you don't mean that, so which portions are you actually having an issue with ?Why would you assume I don't mean that? I do mean that; everything in the book of Daniel that pertains to Antiochus Epiphanes IV.

...they are looking for someone who will uproot 3 kings, makes a covenant with the Jews, installs a new high priest, stops oblation/sacrifice in the middle of the week...everything.

I'm saying the AOD is all we should get from Daniel; none of the other stuff especially the chronology like the "in the middle of the week" & the "70 weeks." Daniel is history; its been done, we should put more stock in revelation.

Revelation is the one relevant for our time NOT daniel. There probably will be NO covenant at all connected to 666 with the Jews. And everyone is anticipating & watching out for that.

IMHO, that is not scriptural and is misleading. Its making christians myopic, closed to other possibilities.

What's worse is that unbelievers are saying the 70 weeks should be long past by now and that it isn't logical to insist on the "gap" or "break" between the last week & the 1st 69 weeks. And the unbelievers would be right. Its laughable. Though there are discrepancies in Daniel, I think the events in it are in the past and only in the past. You need to read maccabees.

[Kamatu]

Why would you assume I don't mean that? I do mean that; everything in the book of Daniel that pertains to Antiochus Epiphanes IV.

...they are looking for someone who will uproot 3 kings, makes a covenant with the Jews, installs a new high priest, stops oblation/sacrifice in the middle of the week...everything.

I'm saying the AOD is all we should get from Daniel; none of the other stuff especially the chronology like the "in the middle of the week" & the "70 weeks." Daniel is history; its been done, we should put more stock in revelation.

Revelation is the one relevant for our time NOT daniel. There probably will be NO covenant at all connected to 666 with the Jews. And everyone is anticipating & watching out for that.

IMHO, that is not scriptural and is misleading. Its making christians myopic, closed to other possibilities.

What's worse is that unbelievers are saying the 70 weeks should be long past by now and that it isn't logical to insist on the "gap" or "break" between the last week & the 1st 69 weeks. And the unbelievers would be right. Its laughable. Though there are discrepancies in Daniel, I think the events in it are in the past and only in the past. You need to read maccabees.

Well, you just limited what parts of Daniel you were talking about, which wasn't everything. I thought that was where you were going, but I wanted to make sure.

Don't go for just Revelation, look also to the Olivet discourse, which is where Jesus mentions the AoD.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Where did you find this in history? Messiah came during the seventy weeks.

Anyway, I'm out of time, I'll try to get you some more later.

[BlessedinHim]

There are several gaps in the 70 weeks. the weeks are counted when Israel possesses their land. The last week has not happened yet! You have Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, plus a few other prophetic books of the OT and there is prophecy in the gospels and the book of revelation. If there are no breaks in the 70 weeks, then we are in the millenium and that would make revelation a lie. The bible does not lie. This is what pre-terrist believe. This is not a pre-terrist board. Pre-terrism does not make logical sense to the word of God.

[Buzzardhut]

Might be clearer to make a list of past events that have been fulfilled
and a list of future events that will be fulfilled