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jubilationtcornpone
July 23rd, 2008, 11:00 PM
I've often said that I have deep concerns about some of the stuff that Rick Warren teaches. Mind you, I never want to be unfair or unkind in expressing these concerns. I have resolved to always strive for a balanced perspective, but without compromising on the truth. I also want to make sure that I always express these views in a spirit of lovingkindness. That's not alway easy, especially when dealing with matters of spiritual truth.

I do believe that Pastor Warren means well, and that he has a genuine desire to see people come to the Lord. He has other laudable qualities as well, such as his tremendous generosity. However, I also think that he tends to be careless in a lot of his teachings, and that he tends to take considerable liberties with the Scriptures. I am also concerned that, in his desire to see people won to Christ, he appears to soften the gospel message to make it sound more appealing -- and that's something which we should never do.

Here is an example of what I mean. In this video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OvyyEIEDqrQ), Pastor Warren talks about how God is pleased when we do "what we are wired to do." My immediate question is "Where does the Bible say that?" Pastor Warren did not cite any Scripture to support that claim, and I'm quite certain that the Bible teaches no such thing.

More importantly, I have to ask, "How are non-believers likely to receive such a message?" I can just imagine a homosexual saying, "Well, God wired me with these strong desires for people of my own sex. That must make it okay!" Or someone who's prone to drunkenness might say, "Heck, I just can't stop drinking. I guess God knows that's just the way I am!"

Rick Warren also urged his listeners to "just be yourself." I think we can all see how that can be a dangerous message to convey, especially if you have non-believers in the audience!

Now, it's possible that Rick Warren meant that if God "wired" you to pursue a particular career, then you should. Warren did, after all, speak about being an anthropologist or an explorer. Once again though, where is the Biblical basis for this claim? And even if it were true, should we not be careful about how we phrase such statements, especially from the pulpit? This is one reason why I say that Pastor Warren tends to be well-intentioned but careless in a lot of what he teaches.

If anything, I'd say that human beings are wired with a strong predisposition toward sin! That's why even the Apostle Paul described himself as "a slave to sin." That's why he declared "For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." (Romans 7:14-20). God doesn't want us to do what we are wired to do. He wants us to obey him, fighting against our innermost desires if need be!

Now, three last thoughts:

1. Is it really accurate to say that we are "wired" for a particular career? I'm not sure that it is, and the Bible is certainly silent on this matter. Speaking for myself, I know that I could have chosen any number of career paths -- science, medicine, engineering, writing, or law, to name a few. I chose a path that fulfilled many of my interests, but I wouldn't say that I was "wired" for this career path alone.

2. Who's to say that God wouldn't call someone to serve in a particular manner despite his or her lack of natural ability? After all, we are all called to evangelize, even though most of us are not gifted at it. And remember when God commanded Moses to lead the Israelites? Moses did not fancy himself as a leader, describing himself as "slow of tongue and speech" (Exodus 4:10) -- yet God told him to do it anyway.

3. The author of this video claimed that Rick Warren was speaking to a group of non-believers. I don't know if that's true or not, so I'm not going to make that claim. Nevertheless, when speaking to a large congregation of laypeople, you are probably going to have some non-believers in attendance, or at the very least, some immature Christians. The need to pick one's words carefully therefore remains.



Those are my thoughts on this issue. As I said, my goal is not to tear viciously into this man. Rather, my goal is to express deep concerns about some of the things he teaches, as well as the careless way in which he presents these ideas.

scrappergirl
July 23rd, 2008, 11:35 PM
corn pone,
nice posts, you make very good points and make them very lovingly. i completely agree with you (although i wouldn't have been able to say things quite as lovingly. so i'm glad you did!).
=)

Sing4Him
July 23rd, 2008, 11:47 PM
Syrupy Sentimentality
Warren’s terminology to describe God provides a picture of God as a kindly grandfather who gushes with warm, fuzzy feelings. For example, he has a chapter that tells us what makes God smile. He uses Noah as an example. He writes, “But there was one man who made God smile. The Bible says, ‘Noah was a pleasure to the Lord’” (Warren: 69). This is a citation of Genesis 6:8 from the Living Bible. Again the paraphrase turns a verse that is God-centered into one that is man-centered. The NASB says, “But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.” The Bible tells what Noah received from God. The poor translation Warren uses makes Noah the agent and God the recipient. The NKJV is more pointed: “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD” (Genesis 6:8; NKJV). In the Biblical account God gives grace to Noah, in Warren’s account Noah gives pleasure to God. Here is how Warren interprets Genesis 6:8: “God said, ‘This guy brings me pleasure. He makes me smile. I’ll start over with his family’” (Warren 69). He twists Genesis 6:8 to promote his man-centered theology and obscure the fact that it was God’s grace that made Noah who he was.

Warren continually tells us what God feels when we do certain things. He says, “Like a proud parent, God especially enjoys watching you use the talents and abilities he has given you” (Warren: 74). He also says, “You only bring him enjoyment by being you” (Warren 75). Somehow Warren knows a cause and effect relationship between various things we do and God’s emotions. He says, “God even enjoys watching you sleep!” (Warren 75). He has discovered six secrets to being “a best friend of God” (Warren: 87).

Warren’s explanation of God leaves out many important truths and emphasizes those qualities that make God feel close and safe. This does not result in a full, Biblical understanding of God. You will never hear about God’s wrath against sin from Warren. You will never hear the warnings in the Bible about God’s coming judgment. You will not learn about God’s holiness from Warren. You will not hear passages like this: “See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less shall we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven” (Hebrews 12:25).

The Bible teaches that God does not change. All of God’s attributes are always His in their full perfection at all times. God continually is merciful and just. His wrath against sin coexists with His mercy toward those who repent and believe the Gospel. Warren’s sentimentality makes God seem dependant on man for His happiness. The author of Hebrews continues: “Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire” (Hebrews 12:28, 29). Making God appear to be like a doting parent gaining happiness from watching his or her kid play softball does not do justice to the Biblical portrayal of the nature of God.

Theologically this constitutes over emphasizing God’s immanence at the expense of His transcendence. This tendency is the hallmark of theological liberalism. The Bible teaches that both are true of God. For example this passage teaches both: “For thus says the high and exalted One Who lives forever, whose name is Holy, ‘I dwell on a high and holy place, And also with the contrite and lowly of spirit In order to revive the spirit of the lowly And to revive the heart of the contrite’” (Isaiah 57:15). By never referencing passages about God being holy and separate from sinners, we gain a skewed understanding of God’s nature.


Conclusion
In 1982 Robert Schuller announced his plans for a new reformation based on self_esteem.3 His stated purpose was to make theology less God-centered and more man-centered. Now that Rick Warren has sold eleven million copies of the Purpose Driven Life, he too wants a new reformation. He is promoting a PEACE plan to solve the world’s five biggest problems.4 Apparently, the church needs a new reformation every twenty years. What happened to Schuller’s reformation?

Thinking about this and carefully studying Warren’s book, I have come to the conclusion that Rick Warren is completely in step with Schuller’s reformation, and is carrying it forward in a way that is more appealing to evangelicals (whether or not he is consciously following Schuller). Warren’s man-centered theology comes with more evangelical ideas than does Schuller’s. Warren includes many more Biblical truths than Schuller ever did. In my opinion this makes Warren more deceptive than Schuller. Schuller ignored the Bible and depended on psychological concepts. Warren uses perverted Bible translations that change God-centered passages to man-centered passages. By carefully selecting the right mistranslation for each of his teaching points he has made the man-centered theology touted by Schuller seem Biblical.

Now Warren wants to reform the church to focus on social action rather than gospel preaching. Wow! Look how far we have come. One of these times this man-centered reformation will succeed. When it does the modern evangelical church will be the latest incarnation of liberalism.5

Each of us must choose between a man-centered, man-made method loosely derived from parts of the Bible and the clear message of the gospel. Rick Warren promotes the former, a broad path with millions of fellow travelers; John MacArthur promotes the latter, a narrow path that few follow.

The gospel is based on a crucified Jewish Messiah, a concept offensive to all sinners. However, to those who embrace the scandal of the cross and by faith escape the just wrath of God, that gospel is the power of God for salvation. Dear reader, you have a choice between a spiritual journey to discover your purpose and the message of the gospel that declares God’s purposes. The one will make you think you are on the path to heaven when you may not be, the other will put you on the path to heaven by God’s sovereign power. I urge you to embrace the gospel on God’s terms.


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Kamatu
July 25th, 2008, 12:13 AM
Actually, IMO, there is no problem with God smiling/delighting/rejoicing/taking pleasure/etc. in someone who does what they are "wired" to do. Mr. Warren's problem comes when he doesn't take the next step and point out that what we are primarily "wired" to do is to follow Him. When we do that, God <insert happy verb here> on us, when we don't....

Everything else in your life stems from that primary "wiring".

It is a great example of how to take a fact or legitimate derivation of facts and then twist it by misapplication into error. The place to attack the message isn't in the "wiring" language (which can be defended as a legit paraphrase/exegesis of Scripture), but the next step in the chain where anything other than following God becomes "wiring".

jubilationtcornpone
July 25th, 2008, 01:43 AM
Actually, I don't think the Bible says that we are wired to follow him. Quite the contrary; I think that our strong sinful nature would indicate a wiring toward sin.

I do agree with you though, in saying that Rick Warren erred in his language and application. He spoke of "wiring" in terms of career choices, yet the Bible never says that picking a career that we are "wired" to do pleases him. (Also consider that the same career can often be used for good or for evil. Do you feel "wired" to be a filmmaker? Fine -- but does this mean that God is pleased when you decide to produce pornographic flicks?)

Some would say, "Cut him some slack! Obviously, you have to use your gifts in ways that are sinful!" The thing is, that was by no means articulated in his message. This is one reason for my concern. Even if his claim were accurate (and I don't think it is), the phrasing used throughout this speech is bound to be misconstrued by non-believes as free license for their sinful lifestyles.

Kamatu
July 27th, 2008, 01:36 AM
Man was created in His image.
For all have sinned and come short...

Hard call on that one, deeper than I want to go. I don't think I'd use the "wired" language myself, but I can see where it is coming from and I wouldn't consider the question of whether or not we are "wired" to follow Him or sin against Him fundamental, so I'd let it go as long as those were the two options.

It is the itchy ears syndrome. The more I look around, the more I see it. From both the "out there" unbelievers and the self righteous "Christians", they only hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see and anyone who disagrees with them will get called names, be it a "Dim" from the one side or a "Satanist" from the other or any such negative term they can think of.

OnceWasLost
July 27th, 2008, 10:01 AM
What pleases Him is when we bow our knee and change our wiring. He is pleased when we walk with Him, and live a life consistent with the life of the redeemed. Which BTW is not a purpose driven subject. What psycho babble hogwash. :tsk

Sing4Him
July 27th, 2008, 10:07 AM
'man's attempt to undermine the sovereignty of God. :rolleyes

Born Again 2006
July 27th, 2008, 10:42 AM
The gospel is based on a crucified Jewish Messiah, a concept offensive to all sinners. However, to those who embrace the scandal of the cross and by faith escape the just wrath of God, that gospel is the power of God for salvation. Dear reader, you have a choice between a spiritual journey to discover your purpose and the message of the gospel that declares God’s purposes. The one will make you think you are on the path to heaven when you may not be, the other will put you on the path to heaven by God’s sovereign power. I urge you to embrace the gospel on God’s terms.


Amen to this sound admonition!:preach

jubilationtcornpone
July 27th, 2008, 02:26 PM
Hard call on that one, deeper than I want to go. I don't think I'd use the "wired" language myself, but I can see where it is coming from and I wouldn't consider the question of whether or not we are "wired" to follow Him or sin against Him fundamental, so I'd let it go as long as those were the two options.Even if we grant that though, where does the Bible say that God smiles when people do what they are "wired" to do? Quite simply, it doesn't. That's going far beyond what the Bible teaches.

And even if that weren't so, isn't it dangerous to tell non-believers that God is pleased when they do what they are wired to do? We all know how they will probably interpret such statements -- especially when coupled with remarks like "just be yourself."

That is my main complaint with this message. It's not just that the message is unbiblical, which I think it is. It's that the careless phrasing is bound to be interpreted as assurance that God is pleased whenever we do whatever feels natural.