Allah and God are NOT the Same

[Timothy Long]

I am writing this to say that I have read the Bible numerous times, and I think it is silly to say or to think that the God of Israel - the one true God, the only God - is the same as Allah. I posted a thread a few months ago about how my family is frustrating me (I don't think they know it) by saying we all pray to the same God or that the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is the same as Allah. Just a week ago my SIL was in the kitchen with my mom and my SIL's daughter. Mom told them of things in the Bible and that God and Allah were the same. This is bunk.

The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob cannot be manipulated by evil. As certain people act in evil - murdering, lying, destroying, etc. and say Allah told them to do it. This is not the one true God, the God of Israel. This is evil and has no place with God. My frustration is dying down now, as I remember that my God, the only God, is compassionate, merciful, forgiving and giving and loves justice. This is not Allah.

If someone has something to add to this, showing that God, the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah, please do. Thank you in advance.

[ATYCLB]

Islam makes it very clear that Allah and the Christian God are not the same:

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.
That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of
old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!"
(Qur’an 9:30)

"Say: Praise be to Allah, Who begets no son, Who has no partner in [His] dominion
and Who [needs] none to protect Him from humiliation;' And Magnify Him with all
magnificence."
(al-Isra' 17/111)

"Allah did not beget a son; Nor is there any god along with Him; Otherwise each god
would have taken away what he had created and some of them would have lorded over
others. May Allah, Be Glorified above all that they allege. He knows what is hidden and
what is exposed. May He Be Exalted over all that they ascribe as partners [to Him]."
(al-Mu'minun 23/91-92)

The Koran states that Allah has no son and that Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.

2 Corinthians 11:4 tells us:

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye
receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have
not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

Islam rejects the true Jesus and what the Gospels teach.
Islam preaches "another Jesus" and "another gospel".

[Timothy Long]

Islam makes it very clear that Allah and the Christian God are not the same.

The Koran states that Allah has no son and that Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.

2 Corinthians 11:4 tells us:

"For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye
receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have
not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

Islam rejects the true Jesus and what the Gospels teach.
Islam preaches "another Jesus" and "another gospel".

:nod

[Kamatu]

The only issue I have on this subject is that in the Arabic Bible you will find "Allah" in the translation. It is related to the Hebrew Elohim, which is what you usually see translated as "God" in most English versions of the Bible. So, in Arabic, Allah is most certainly God (Elohim).

Nitpicking? Maybe, but saying "Allah and God are NOT the Same" without defining your terms or as a quick comment is IMO incorrect. The point you continued to make, that the God (Allah) of Islam is NOT the same as the God (Allah) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is correct. Probably I've just seen too many "Allah isn't God" toss off comments.

I'd prefer something more like: Islam and Christianity (or Judaism) do NOT worship the same God.

[jckliew]

ALLAH IS NOT MY NAME!

In many arabic linked nations, they have use allah for the name of the Lord. This is YHWH in the scriptures.
i find this heretical that they should call 'I AM' by the name of a pagan god!

[jckliew]

Those who speak Arabic are not calling God by "the name of a pagan god." "Allah" is the Arabic language word for "God." Would you call the French heretics for calling God "Dieu," or the Russians for calling God "Бог" ("Bog")? Of course not. While it is true there are religious and cultural differences at work between Christianity and Islam, the "God/Allah" debate is not one of NAMES (e.g., YHWH versus Allah), but one of categories (in which "Allah" is the Arabic equivalent of the English word "God").

Sorry maybe i was not clear enough.

Theres elohim and YHWH. One is a generic word for god and the other, the memorial name of God Almighty(Proper name).

Ex 3

And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

To replace His Name with the name of a pagan god is nothing short of heresy.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

In the scriptures theres more than 7000 times that Lord is used. This is His memorial name. In some cultures due to the arabic ties, they have replace Lord with Allah. This is wrong. They have another generic word for god.

Shalom

[jckliew]

Its is important to understand that

I AM is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

Its not allah......

This has very strong prophetic links to the Lord Jesus.

[Kamatu]

Prophet, I'd need you to explain a bit better. You are equating vocabulary in one language with one specific deity. I think. In some ways it almost seems you are denying that God is one, but I'm fairly sure that you aren't saying that Elohim and Jehovah are different.

What do you do when the same Hebrew words are used for both God and pagan deities/idols?

Let's work on this:

Exo 20:1 And God430 spoke1696 (853) all3605 these428 words,1697 saying,559
Exo 20:2 I595 am the LORD3068 thy God,430 which834 have brought thee out3318 of the land4480, 776 of Egypt,4714 out of the house4480, 1004 of bondage.5650
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have1961 no3808 other312 gods430 before5921, 6440 me.

This has the Strong's numbers with it. Notice that the first bold (Elohim) ties directly into the second bold (Jehovah - Elohim) and if you continue past my quote in the passage you will find Jehovah (LORD) being used interchangeably with Elohim (God). Notice that the third bold also uses the word elohim, but by context the reference is to pagan deities/idols, just like we can use the word spelled "G-O-D" to mean both Jehovah and various pagan deities.

Also, what do you think of the word "baal"? How is it used in Scripture and what does it mean?

To my understanding, the only reason Allah has been tied so closely to Islam is because Muslims are taught that Arabic is the only perfect language and Allah means "God" in Arabic. An English translation of the Koran should find "God" where Allah is and a Hebrew translation should have "Elohim" where Allah is.

[Watchingthesky]

A simple reading of the two texts (Bible and heathen koran) shows that the very nature and way that God interacts with mankind is fundamentally different.

YHWH in the Bible is consistent, firm, and holy. His dealings with mankind are always consistent with who He reveals Himself to be. The "god" of the koran is deceitful, temperamental, prone to changing his mind, petty, while at the same time entirely disinterested in everyone on Earth. Allah changes his mind constantly, often at the whim of his so called "seal of the prophets". It's a very bizarre and strange change in personality, if one believes you go from the Bible to the koran as God's revealed Word.

Basically, the God of the Bible's morals are consistent, perfect, and holy. The god of the koran's morals seem to be no better than a 6th Century desert dweller.

Islam is nothing more than an attempt by Satan to replace Christianity and YHWH. Satan tried to wipe out Christians through the Roman Empire and barbarians for 600 years and badly lost that battle. When it was clear that persecution only swelled the numbers (and eventually lost the Roman Empire), Satan devised a new monotheistic religion to replace it. He then copied that template 1200 years later with Joseph Smith when he revealed Mormonism to him. Mormonism is a more palatable, fine-tuning of Islam, in my opinion, without the bothersome, contradictory revelations required to keep Mohammed legitimate in the eyes of his followers.

God bless.

[jckliew]

Prophet, I'd need you to explain a bit better. You are equating vocabulary in one language with one specific deity. I think. In some ways it almost seems you are denying that God is one, but I'm fairly sure that you aren't saying that Elohim and Jehovah are different.

What do you do when the same Hebrew words are used for both God and pagan deities/idols?

Let's work on this:



This has the Strong's numbers with it. Notice that the first bold (Elohim) ties directly into the second bold (Jehovah - Elohim) and if you continue past my quote in the passage you will find Jehovah (LORD) being used interchangeably with Elohim (God). Notice that the third bold also uses the word elohim, but by context the reference is to pagan deities/idols, just like we can use the word spelled "G-O-D" to mean both Jehovah and various pagan deities.

Also, what do you think of the word "baal"? How is it used in Scripture and what does it mean?

To my understanding, the only reason Allah has been tied so closely to Islam is because Muslims are taught that Arabic is the only perfect language and Allah means "God" in Arabic. An English translation of the Koran should find "God" where Allah is and a Hebrew translation should have "Elohim" where Allah is.

Thought i was quite clear the second time round.... :)

Anyway here we go again

elohim is a generic word for god. Its even used for human judges. And yes it indicates multiple/compound entity.

YHWH (and its not jehovah), is the memorial name of the Lord. Its HIS NAME given by Himself in Ex 3. Like your name maybe John. Kapish? :thumb

NEVER in the scriptures when the word Lord is used, it is identified with any other pagan gods. Baal is id with the pagan gods.

The hebrews in fear of breaking the law of taking His name in vain has changed ALL the other words Lord using Adonai because they dared not utter YHWH. ALL the other 7000+ times that you see Lord in the OT, its actually YHWH.

So actually YHWH and elohim is interchangable in a sentence depending how its structured.

allah was used because Mohammed had no other better word but to use the name of a widely used pagan god in those regions at the time.

i am taking a stand on this because various languages have accorded allah to His memorial name. This is blasphemy as far as i am concerned. :puke