Is the Psalm 83 War Next on the Prophetic Timeline?

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I hope that the Rapture occurs after Isaiah 17 - not because I want to see anyone nuked, but because it is an irrefutable prophecy fulfilled. (Sadly, I think many of the unsaved, including DH, put no credence into all of the other signs - the earthquakes, wars and rumors of wars, etc. Maybe the destruction of Damascus will open some eyes, one hopes.)

I don't know where the Rapture comes vs Gog/Magog, though it seems reasonable that it occurs beforehand (God turning His attention from the Gentiles back to the Jews).

One thing that I have to wonder about is if there is a few years between the end of Gog/Magog and the start of the Tribulation. The Bible says that the Israelis will be burning the armaments for fuel for 7 years - but with the AntiChrist waging war on them from the middle of the Tribulation onward, I have to wonder. They'll be off in the mountains (Petra?), protected by God - would all those armaments be available there for burning? Will they even be necessary?

On the other hand, God having stood up for Israel in the Gog/Magog war (having revealed Himself and turned His attention back to the Jews), maybe that necessitates the start of the Tribulation right there - because His focus is back on the Jews, so wouldn't THAT (as opposed to some human making a treaty) dictate the start of the 70th week? :scratch (The treaty would be a coincidental conclusion to that war, a non-supernatural visible marker perhaps meant for the Tribulation saints.)

It gets confusing sometimes... We can speculate all we like, but while prophecy will be fulfilled, it may not be in quite the manner that we envision.

[Steve53]

It gets confusing sometimes... We can speculate all we like, but while prophecy will be fulfilled, it may not be in quite the manner that we envision.

Satan must also be kept guessing.

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Will the Middle East war take place in this Summer ? Let's see what the scripture say about it.

Some see Psalm 83 is a prayer,and other see it as a prophecy.I see it both.And I believe Amos 1 is the answer from God,Isaiah 17 is the aftermath of the battle.

Amos 1.

Through the prophet Amos,God has foretold 2500 years ago that when He gathered His people to become a nation again,which has been taken place in May 14,1948,there would be three transgression on His people.He will spare them during the first three transgressions,but for the fourth,He will send fire to those nations that come up against His people,and destroy them.

We know that the first three transgression has already been taken place.They are 1948 Independence War,1967 Six Days War and 1973 Yom Kippur war.But for the fourth transgression,those nations that mentioned in Amos 1 shall not escape His judgment.

Amos 1:3 Thus saith the LORD; FOR THREE TRANSGRESSIONS of Damascus, AND FOR FOUR, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have threshed Gilead with threshing instruments of iron:

4But I will send a fire into the house of Hazael, which shall devour the palaces of Benhadad.

5I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.

So,who are the participants of this upcoming transgression ?

From Amos 1,we learn that they are Damascus ( Syria ),Gaza ( Hamas ),Tyrus ( Lebanon and Hezebollah ),Edom ( Jordan ),Ammon ( Jordan ),Moab ( Jordan ),Judah and Israel.

And how fierce will this battle be fought ?

Amos 1:4 But I will send a fire into the house of Hazael, which shall devour the palaces of Benhadad.

5I will break also the bar of Damascus, and cut off the inhabitant from the plain of Aven, and him that holdeth the sceptre from the house of Eden: and the people of Syria shall go into captivity unto Kir, saith the LORD.

6 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Gaza, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they carried away captive the whole captivity, to deliver them up to Edom:

7 But I will send a fire on the wall of Gaza, which shall devour the palaces thereof:

8And I will cut off the inhabitant from Ashdod, and him that holdeth the sceptre from Ashkelon, and I will turn mine hand against Ekron: and the remnant of the Philistines shall perish, saith the Lord GOD.

9 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Tyrus, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they delivered up the whole captivity to Edom, and remembered not the brotherly covenant:

10 But I will send a fire on the wall of Tyrus, which shall devour the palaces thereof.

11 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Edom, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he did pursue his brother with the sword, and did cast off all pity, and his anger did tear perpetually, and he kept his wrath for ever:

12But I will send a fire upon Teman, which shall devour the palaces of Bozrah.

13 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border:

14But I will kindle a fire in the wall of Rabbah, and it shall devour the palaces thereof, with shouting in the day of battle, with a tempest in the day of the whirlwind:

15And their king shall go into captivity, he and his princes together, saith the LORD.

Amos 2:3 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:

3And I will cut off the judge from the midst thereof, and will slay all the princes thereof with him, saith the LORD.

God will also judge Israel for their sin against Him during this battle.

Amos 2:4 Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have despised the law of the LORD, and have not kept his commandments, and their lies caused them to err, after the which their fathers have walked:

5But I will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem.

6Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Israel, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they sold the righteous for silver, and the poor for a pair of shoes;

7 That pant after the dust of the earth on the head of the poor, and turn aside the way of the meek: and a man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name:

8And they lay themselves down upon clothes laid to pledge by every altar, and they drink the wine of the condemned in the house of their god.

But In which season shall this upcoming fourth transgression take place ?

According to Isaiah 16,and Jeremiah 48,this battle shall take place in the season of Summer.

Isaiah 16:7 Therefore shall Moab howl for Moab, every one shall howl: for the foundations of Kirhareseth shall ye mourn; surely they are stricken.

8For the fields of Heshbon languish, and the vine of Sibmah: the lords of the heathen have broken down the principal plants thereof, they are come even unto Jazer, they wandered through the wilderness: her branches are stretched out, they are gone over the sea.

9Therefore I will bewail with the weeping of Jazer the vine of Sibmah: I will water thee with my tears, O Heshbon, and Elealeh: for the shouting for THY SUMMER FRUITS and for thy harvest is fallen.

10And gladness is taken away, and joy out of the plentiful field; and in the vineyards there shall be no singing, neither shall there be shouting: the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses; I have made their vintage shouting to cease.

Jeremiah 48: 29 We have heard the pride of Moab, (he is exceeding proud) his loftiness, and his arrogancy, and his pride, and the haughtiness of his heart.

30I know his wrath, saith the LORD; but it shall not be so; his lies shall not so effect it.

31Therefore will I howl for Moab, and I will cry out for all Moab; mine heart shall mourn for the men of Kirheres.

32O vine of Sibmah, I will weep for thee with the weeping of Jazer: thy plants are gone over the sea, they reach even to the sea of Jazer: THE SPOILER IS FALLEN UPON THY SUMMER FRUITS and upon thy vintage.

Both prophets have mentioned Moab which is modern day Jordan will be fallen together with it's summer fruits,which means God has given us a clue as in which season this upcoming fourth transgression shall take place.It shall take place in the season of Summer.

Will this battle happen in this Summer ? We just have to wait and see,but my belief is "very likely".

One final note,Egypt and Saudi will not partake in this upcoming battle since their names are not mentioned by the prophet Amos.

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When this upcoming transgression takes place,how long will this battle last ?

One month according to the prophet Zechariah.

Zechariah 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.

2Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down.

3There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled.

8 THREE SHEPHERDS ALSO I CUT OFF IN ONE MONTH; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.

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From Jeremiah 49 verse 1-2,we learn that Jordan will be fallen into the hand of Israel after the upcoming battle.

Jeremiah 49:1 Concerning the Ammonites, thus saith the LORD; Hath Israel no sons? hath he no heir? why then doth their king inherit Gad, and his people dwell in his cities?

2Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will cause an alarm of war to be heard in Rabbah of the Ammonites; and it shall be a desolate heap, and her daughters shall be burned with fire: THEN SHALL ISRAEL BE HEIR UNTO THEM THAT WERE HIS HEIRS,SAITH THE LORD.

But how long shall Israel control the land of Jordan ?

Three years according to Isaiah 16.

Isaiah 16:13 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning Moab since that time. 14But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, WITHIN THREE YEARS, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

But why 3 years,why not 7 years or longer ?

It is because AC shall invade the Jewish land during the Mid-Trib,and all the Jews will be fleeing,many of them will go captive.This means they can only retain the control of the land of Jordan for three years.

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Amos 1 could not come to It's fulfillment prior to 1982,without the Israel-Lebanon war first.It was after this war that the PLO was driven back to Lebanon south and started to headquarter there.And with Iran's help,they have revolved to become Hezebollah and even as of today,they have representative in the Lebanese government.

Amos 1 could not come to it's fulfillment prior to 2005 without Israel's unilateral disengagement from Gaza in 2005 first.And in the following year 2006,through the civic election,Hamas has finally gained control of the Gaza strip.It has been poised as a security threat to Israel since then.

Isn't our God wonderful ? He has foretold 2500 years ago through the prophet Amos that these round about nations will one day launch a transgression on His people.He didn't just call it a transgression,but a "fourth" transgression.He knew before hand that there would be three transgression prior to that,but it would be the fourth transgression that would provoke His anger,that his judgment would come.

If Psalm 83 is a prayer or a prophecy,then Amos 1 is the battle scene,or the fulfillment of Psalm 83.All the participants are pinpointed precisely with the current political situation there.Not one nation more,nor one less.

Today,we are seeing this prophecy unfold before us.If rapture does not take place prior to this fourth transgression,and when we see Amos 1 come to it's fulfillment,look up ,cause our redemption draw near.We'll be talking about months,not years,before our Lord calls us home.

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Wow 2ndcomming that was great. Thanks.

[4EverHis]

Will the Middle East war take place in this Summer ? Let's see what the scripture say about it.

Some see Psalm 83 is a prayer,and other see it as a prophecy.I see it both.And I believe Amos 1 is the answer from God,Isaiah 17 is the aftermath of the battle.



Psalm 83 is first, talk of conspiracy by the enemy nations surrounding Israel, that has occurred for centuries and is being fulfilled today. Secondly it is a Prayer, for action against the enemies of Israel, that has yet to be fulfilled. :) Isaiah 17 is Gods answer to this Prayer. Isaiah 17 is not by any means the "aftermath" of any battle, it is a multiple fronted war fought by Israel, which Israel will suffer greatly.

[4EverHis]

2ndcoming- Jeremiah 49 verse 1-2,we learn that Jordan will be fallen into the hand of Israel after the upcoming battle.
Jeremiah 49:1 Concerning the Ammonites, thus saith the LORD; Hath Israel no sons? hath he no heir? why then doth their king inherit Gad, and his people dwell in his cities?
2Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will cause an alarm of war to be heard in Rabbah of the Ammonites; and it shall be a desolate heap, and her daughters shall be burned with fire: THEN SHALL ISRAEL BE HEIR UNTO THEM THAT WERE HIS HEIRS,SAITH THE LORD.

Yes, Israel will occupy a portion of Jordan. It is the only land that God tells us Israel will reclaim, in Isaiah 17:2.
2.The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
“The cities of Aroer are forsaken “ they are gone. The "flocks that will lie down " in safety - with Damascus vs.1, Amman vs2, and the PA vs3 gone, they, "the flocks" - the Israeli's, will feel "safe", in their reclaimed ancient land once more."none shall make them afraid", because they're enemies are gone!

Aroer is a region on the northern bank of the Arnon River in what is today Jordan. In Moses day, it marked the southern boundary of the territory given to the two and a half tribes who received their land inheritance on the east side of the Jordan River. Aroer was in the territory of Reuben. There was another Aroer in the territory of Gad, near Rabbah. Rabbah is today called Amman, capital of Jordan. Isaiah is indicating that the Jordanians will be involved as well.



But how long shall Israel control the land of Jordan ?

Three years according to Isaiah 16.

Isaiah 16:13 This is the word that the LORD hath spoken concerning Moab since that time. 14But now the LORD hath spoken, saying, WITHIN THREE YEARS, as the years of an hireling, and the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble.

Israel will control Jordan throughout the entire Tribulation period of seven years. :) Israel reclaims a portion of Jordan in Isaiah 17:2 prior to the beginning of the Trib. The Remnant of Believing Jews, flee to Jordan at the Mid-Trib.


But why 3 years,why not 7 years or longer ?
It is because AC shall invade the Jewish land during the Mid-Trib,and all the Jews will be fleeing,many of them will go captive.This means they can only retain the control of the land of Jordan for three years.

The AC will already be in Israel at the beginning of the Trib, he doesnt "invade" Israel. :scratch The AC is revealed at the Mid-Trib, to be who he really is when he attempts to set himself up to be worshiped in the Temple. Believing Jews will flee to Jordan, others that are blinded, will follow the AC. The Remnant of Believing Jews that flee to Jordan, will be protected by God for the remainder of the Trib, from the AC. Revelation 12

[4EverHis]

When this upcoming transgression takes place,how long will this battle last ?
One month according to the prophet Zechariah.
Zechariah 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.
2Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down.
3There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled.
8 THREE SHEPHERDS ALSO I CUT OFF IN ONE MONTH; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.


Isaiah 17 tells us that Damascus is gone in one day. Jordan and the West Bank, are next. The surrounding enemy nations attempt to "rush in" to finish off Israel, and God steps in so as they are not completely destroyed. These nations are all extremely close to each other, and this will happen very quickly like falling dominos...