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MsSophie
June 5th, 2010, 11:32 AM
2ndComing, I haven't read that in a long time. That gave me chills. Thanks for posting it.

mel018
June 5th, 2010, 08:01 PM
I believe that the Rapture occurs before the Gog/Magog war for the simple reason that we are saved by grace through FAITH. Furthermore, it is because of our faith in the unseen, I believe, that we receive the very special gifts of the rapture, wedding, and special place with our Lord during the MK.

Once Gog/Magog happens, who needs faith? :twitch

I hope that makes sense.

Also, I can see how this scenario brings about the trib:

Once all of the believers are gone in the Rapture, and God wipes out Islam in the Gog/Magog war, a perfect vacuum will be created for the AC to step on the scene, solve all of the worlds problems, and confirm a peace covenant between Israel and her Neighbors (whats left of them).

I have been watching for about 11 years now. Like many here, I have jumped on the "Rapture any moment" bandwagon more times than I should. However, this Turkey stuff makes the hair on the back of my neck stand straight up, couple that with the strongest prodding I have ever felt from the Holy Spirit, I hope it is real this time.

I so long for unhindered worship at the feet of my Jesus!!! :pray :pray :pray

WVBORN56
June 5th, 2010, 08:12 PM
I believe that the Rapture occurs before the Gog/Magog war for the simple reason that we are saved by grace through FAITH. Furthermore, it is because of our faith in the unseen, I believe, that we receive the very special gifts of the rapture, wedding, and special place with our Lord during the MK.

Once Gog/Magog happens, who needs faith? :twitch

I hope that makes sense.

Also, I can see how this scenario brings about the trib:

Once all of the believers are gone in the Rapture, and God wipes out Islam in the Gog/Magog war, a perfect vacuum will be created for the AC to step on the scene, solve all of the worlds problems, and confirm a peace covenant between Israel and her Neighbors (whats left of them).

I have been watching for about 11 years now. Like many here, I have jumped on the "Rapture any moment" bandwagon more times than I should. However, this Turkey stuff makes the hair on the back of my neck stand straight up, couple that with the strongest prodding I have ever felt from the Holy Spirit, I hope it is real this time.

I so long for unhindered worship at the feet of my Jesus!!! :pray :pray :pray

Hi Mel, I tend to agree that the Ezekiel war occurs after we (church) are gone. You make a couple of good points about faith and the power vacuum opening the door to the AC. I have always felt the Gog-magog war was also more old testament in nature which also coincides with the church being gone.

sherrimae
June 5th, 2010, 08:39 PM
If the Turkish prime minister really heads for Gaza accompanied by Turkish naval vessels, all bets are off. That would be an act of war against Israel. I think it could trigger a war immediately.

ron4Jesus
June 5th, 2010, 08:40 PM
Isaiah 17, An Oracle Against Damascus

This Week’s Feature Article by Jack Kelley

In the past couple of years it has become even clearer that Isaiah’s prophecy of the destruction of Damascus will soon come to fulfillment, perhaps being part of the Psalm 83 scenario I’ve written about. If so, it would explain why Syria is not included among the coalition of Moslem nations who will gather against Israel in the Battle of Ezekiel 38. Updating our study of Isaiah 17 seems a fitting conclusion to our recent reviews of Ezekiel 38 and Psalm 83.

Emboldened by the outcome of the 2006 Hezbollah Israel war, Syria has become ever more bellicose in it’s behavior toward Israel, as if inviting confrontation. Aggressive acts have included moving large military forces onto the Golan, opening the crossing that gives Syrians access to Israel for the first time since 1973, forming and training a Syrian terrorist force to infiltrate Northern Israel, and openly helping Hezbollah re-arm in violation of UN resolution 1701. Now Hezballah and Syria are building a massive fortified wall, 22 kilometers long, that promises to be one of the biggest fortified structures in the Middle East. It is designed as an obstacle against any Israeli tank forces heading through Lebanon toward the Syrian capital, Damascus. And most recently, Syria has moved 800 long range missiles into firing position and updated targeting coordinates for specific locations in Israel in preparation for war.

It’s been known for some time that Syria has one of the world’s most advanced chemical weapons programs, even though such things are illegal, and is probably in possession of the bulk of Saddam Hussein’s WMDs that the MSM (main stream media) delights in telling you never existed. Recent satellite imagery suggests significant efforts to update Syria’s known chemical weapons facilities. They’ve also mobilized reserves, set up alternate communication centers, and moved all official historical and legal documents out of Damascus. They did this because they believe that Israel will respond to a chemical attack by destroying Damascus with nuclear weaponry. They’ve recalled all their citizens living in Lebanon. They’ve purchased Russian arms and defensive systems costing hundreds of millions of dollars in an effort to protect Damascus.

Going Nuclear
In July 2007, a chemical warhead exploded at a Syrian missile facility while being fitted to a Scud missile, killing dozens of Iranian and Syrian technicians. The only likely target within range of the missile was Tel Aviv. Then, just 2 months later, the Israeli bombing of a secret Syrian facility deep inside the country made headlines and demonstrated Israel’s ability to render the Russian state-of-the-art anti-air defenses ineffective. These systems were sold to both Syria and Iran to protect against US or Israeli attacks by air. The presence of nuclear materials at the Syrian base has been confirmed, so it might have been the location of at least a dirty bomb assembly plant and perhaps even a clandestine nuclear weapons facility. The North Koreans were heavily involved in this, and are suspected of still helping Syria to develop some kind of nuclear weapons capability.

more here : http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/isaiah-17-an-oracle-against-damascus/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Gracethrufaith+%28GraceThruFa ith%29&utm_content=Yahoo!+Mail

ron4Jesus
June 5th, 2010, 09:17 PM
Psalm 83 … Preview Of A Coming Attraction

Hezbollah says that Israel’s disappearance after the next war is an established fact. Iran’s President has called Israel a dirty microbe and a savage animal that will soon disappear in a flash. The commander in chief of Iran’s army predicts that millions will soon receive the joyous news of Israel’s destruction. Israel’s chief of staff warns of a “tough ordeal” coming soon. With all the rhetoric flying around the Middle East about a major war this summer, and with multiple countries (including the US) rapidly beefing up their military preparedness, a quick review of Psalm 83 is in order to refresh our minds on the prophetic details of this coming attack against Israel.

Psalm 83 was probably written some time after the end of King Solomon’s reign (about 900 BC) but the Bible contains no account of such a coordinated effort by all of Israel’s neighbors to destroy them, either during that time or since. A partial fulfillment may be in view in 2 Chron. 20 when Moab, Ammon, and parts of Edom invaded Judah during King Jehosophat’s reign (872-848 BC) Interestingly, Jahaziel, a Levite who prophesied Judah’s victory in that battle was a descendant of Asaph, who wrote Psalm 83. Applying one of his favorite tactics, the Lord set Israel’s enemies against each other and they defeated themselves. Ezekiel 38:21 tells of a future use of this same tactic.

But the Battle of 2 Chron. 20 doesn’t fully meet the requirements of Psalm 83, having many fewer antagonists, so on that basis we’ll assume its fulfillment is still in the future, perhaps the very near future. If so, it could be the bridge between the current state of affairs in Israel and the conditions necessary for the Battle of Ezekiel 38 to happen. Let’s find out.

Psalm 83

O God, do not keep silent; be not quiet, O God, be not still. See how your enemies are astir, how your foes rear their heads. With cunning they conspire against your people; they plot against those you cherish.

more here : http://www.raptureready.com/featured/kelley/jack122.html

6stringedsignseeker
June 5th, 2010, 09:39 PM
I think some day in the near future we're going to wake up and see this :nuke over Damascus on the news.

RaptureReady_7
June 5th, 2010, 09:46 PM
I think some day in the near future we're going to wake up and see this :nuke over Damascus on the news.

Especially now. Things are just going to get even more crazy.

I am so very thankful that God is in control!

Charles Stanley's message this weekend was very timely. God is sovereign and in control of all things. The question is, do we really believe that God is sovereign?

Do we trust Him to be in control and to have all things in hand. Do we truly and sincerely believe that "all things work together for good, to those who love God and are called according to His purpose"?

Something to think about, especially when times like this come.

Christina
June 5th, 2010, 09:51 PM
The question is, do we really believe that God is sovereign?
Do we trust Him to be in control and to have all things in hand.

This is the ONLY thing that gives me peace of mind, knowing that He IS in control and everything is according to His Will :preach

Reason&Hope
June 5th, 2010, 10:55 PM
Good words from Charles Stanley. My problem is I find I can trust God on these big issues, but on a personal issue I've had lately, it's been real work trusting Him.