Is the Psalm 83 War Next on the Prophetic Timeline?

[WVBORN56]

It could be the start of the Great Middle East War aka Psalm 83 war or Isaiah 17 war. The significance is many believe the rapture occurs before this war and others just after this war starts.

[Jacinth]

Yes, Psalm 83 -- but I seem to be seeing different perspectives of whether Egypt itself has anything to do at all with that "war"......

[Ez3813]

is Hag.2.6-9
concerning Egypt is: Is.19,2ff
concerning Israel is: Hos.11,10-12

Any more questions?

concerning ME is Ps.83
concerning the nations are Ps.2 and Hag.2,6-9
:sad

[NeverTheLess]

Yes, Psalm 83 -- but I seem to be seeing different perspectives of whether Egypt itself has anything to do at all with that "war"......

I think there are two ways to look at Egypt and that might help to see the role they will play.

1) Symbolic......... Egypt is symbolic of the world and what you see is just another continuation of the world turning against Israel.

2) Islam.......Islam is like the collective generational anger that has been channeled toward the chosen seed of Abraham.

Egypt is like a microcosm of what's happening in the world. They are not a seriously 'major' player in any of the coming 3 wars (Psalms 83/Isaiah 17----Gog Magog----Armageddon). I think Egypt is more of a barometer that measures the birth pang pressure and gives us some sort of indication how full the fullness of the gentiles is becoming.

[NeverTheLess]

It is also known as the Great Middle East War. Part of that war includes the prophecy of Isaiah 17. The players in this war are Iran proxies, Hezbollah, Syria, Jordan, Lebannon and maybe but probably not Egypt. Basically the countries currently surrounding Israel.

I believe it takes place after the rapture but before the start of the great Tribulation or just at the outset of the tribulation and is very shortly followed by the Gog-magog war that includes Iran, Russia and Turkey as principles.

That is a start...I'll let others take it from there both clarifying and expanding...

I pretty much agree with WV on this although I'm not as convinced that we won't see perhaps the opening salvos of the pre Gog/Magog stuff such as perhaps the ruinous heap that was Damascus. I do believe that Russia is so conditioned by the principals of mutual deterrence though that it will take the Psalms 83 skirmish along with the hook in the jaw to get them to head south.

My apologies to the OP and perhaps this might merit a thread of it's own but this is the beauty of this website......it fosters thought along with the subsequent questions :-)

If we are raptured, will the gulf that has always been affixed between the two be removed or will we not witness anything post rapture? Sorry, inquiring minds just want to know :rolleyes

[watchwoman]

I'll try to give a brief answer to your question, Riley. You might also read through this long thread from the beginning. It has a wealth of info. & resources which could help you answer your questions more fully. :hat

The prophcy in Ps 83 (which many think is an imprecatory prayer) and Is 17 (which many think is the answer to that prayer, since they have many similarities) has yet to be fulfilled. The suspected timing of it is often related to the scriptures that say Israel will be living in peace and security when Gog-Magog occurs. Also, placing the Great Middle East War ahead of Gog-Magog answers the question about why, when Israel's neighbors all hate her with a vengence, they don't participate in Gog-Magog. :scratch

If the Ps 83/Is 17 war happens first, that question is answered - the countries around Israel would have been decimated and defeated in the Great Middle East War. This would logically contribute to Russia & Iran thinking that they could now proceed with their own attack, which many feel will be founded in oil and Muslim hatred.

Remember, God can do this in any way He wants, and we're just applying human logic. He may surprise us yet about how this all goes down! :preach

[MelAnne]

is Hag.2.6-9
concerning Egypt is: Is.19,2ff
concerning Israel is: Hos.11,10-12

Any more questions?

concerning ME is Ps.83
concerning the nations are Ps.2 and Hag.2,6-9
:sad

:sad I agree . . . Isaiah 19 does seem to describe what is happening in Egypt now to a "T." I guess we will find out pretty quick if this is truly prophecy being fulfilled. After the civil war/revolution described in the first third or so of Isaiah 19, a dictator comes to power who severely oppresses the Egyptian people. Then a severe drought sweeps through Egypt, followed by a plague. Finally, there is a mass conversion as the entire nation turns to God and he delivers them from the plague and their oppression, and they form an alliance with Israel and Syria (which also apparently sees a mass conversion to Christianity). Fascinating reading! And, as I said, I would imagine we will find out within the next few months or so whether or not what is happening now fulfills Isaiah 19 . . . it all depends on what happens with Mubarak getting booted out and the Muslim Brotherhood/current government getting all palsy and talking about forming a "unity government." If a dictator arises out of all this, which I've heard from many different sources that this is very likely, then it looks like we are watching prophecy be fulfilled before our very eyes. Exciting times to be alive!

Here's what Isaiah 19 says:


1The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

2And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.

3And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.

4And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.

5And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

6And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.

7The paper reeds by the brooks, by the mouth of the brooks, and every thing sown by the brooks, shall wither, be driven away, and be no more.

8The fishers also shall mourn, and all they that cast angle into the brooks shall lament, and they that spread nets upon the waters shall languish.

9Moreover they that work in fine flax, and they that weave networks, shall be confounded.

10And they shall be broken in the purposes thereof, all that make sluices and ponds for fish.

11Surely the princes of Zoan are fools, the counsel of the wise counsellors of Pharaoh is become brutish: how say ye unto Pharaoh, I am the son of the wise, the son of ancient kings?

12Where are they? where are thy wise men? and let them tell thee now, and let them know what the LORD of hosts hath purposed upon Egypt.

13The princes of Zoan are become fools, the princes of Noph are deceived; they have also seduced Egypt, even they that are the stay of the tribes thereof.

14The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

15Neither shall there be any work for Egypt, which the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.

16In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.

17And the land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt, every one that maketh mention thereof shall be afraid in himself, because of the counsel of the LORD of hosts, which he hath determined against it.

18In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

19In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.

20And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

21And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.

22And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

23In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

[Gideon300]

Something else I might point out:

Psalm 83 & Isaiah 17 players are all Arab Islamic nations.

Ezekiel 38 & 39 nations are all non-Arab Islamic nations.

Now, I know many will say..wait a minute..Russia is not a Muslim nation. Correct, they currently are not, but if you look at their population stats, they will be very soon. The Muslim population in Russia is exploding, and the old Russian population is in decline. Who knows if they will be when this comes to fulfillment, but this info is interesting.

[james46888]

Just wondering about the identity of "Put" in Ezekiel 38. Many writers say it's Libya whereas others such as Arnold Fruchtenbaum and the late David L. Cooper say it refers to Somalia and Somaliland. Anyone got any evidence either way?

[chondram]

Just wondering about the identity of "Put" in Ezekiel 38. Many writers say it's Libya whereas others such as Arnold Fruchtenbaum and the late David L. Cooper say it refers to Somalia and Somaliland. Anyone got any evidence either way?

Wikipedia says:
Gog – individual who leads the invasion
Magog – southern portion of the former Soviet Union
Rosh – The Scythians living in the Caucuses
Meshech and Tubal – Turkey
Persia – Iran
Cush – Sudan
Put – Libya (possibly Algeria and Tunisia as well)
Beth-togarmah – Turkey, Armenia and other Turkic-speaking peoples who spread into other countries across central Asia

Bill Salus, author of "Isralestine" has the confederacies of the Psalm 83 war spelled out as well as all the EZ 38 players.

Hope that helps!