Is the Psalm 83 War Next on the Prophetic Timeline?

[WVBORN56]

WVBORN56, your pm box is full. :whisper

I think it is now empty...thanks :hat

[Gideon300]

Yeah, it probably is in the Quran.

After Mohammad and his henchmen took it
from the Bible and reversed it all with their own spin

I had to read the Koran for a college class and kept the book for discussions like this. There are only two mentions of Gog Magog in the Koran. One mention is a historical battle Muslim armies fought against them. The second (21:96) is a rip-off of Revelation 20:7-9.

The Koran contains very little "prophecy." What "prophecy" it contains is just plagiarized from the Bible. There is no mention of the Ezekiel 38 & 39 war in the Koran.

[twinkle]

Here is a very interesting link by our very own rapture ready on Psalm 83. :hat http://www.raptureready.com/soap/psalm83-1.html

You are certainly right about that! I would say that 'very interesting' is an understatement! :twitch

I have so many questions regarding this article that I'm not sure where to start.

I've taken some items from the article and posted them here, hoping that it will get RR members attention and prompt you to read the whole article.

What do you all think?


Psalm 83 is not a description of a different war between the Arab/Islamic nations and Israel. Instead God will answer that imprecatory prayer by defeating the nations noted above when they attack Israel prior to the Rapture and the start of the Tribulation.


The similarities between the War of Gog/Magog (Ezekiel 38-39) and the prayer of Psalm 83 clearly show that Psalm 83 is a prayer for the fulfillment of the Gog/Magog War.


The destruction of Russia and her allies is the first stage of the conversion of Israel. It takes place before the start of the Tribulation as Joel prophesied: (War of Gog/Magog)


One of the weakest arguments the proponents of the Psalm 83 hypothesis make is that the Church will not be on Earth when Israel conquers her enemies. According to them the “fullness of the Gentiles” comes in when the Church is raptured, and the alleged war of Psalm 83 takes place afterward. This idea demands a gap between the Rapture and the start of the Tribulation. I show in Chapter 6 of my book, When? When Will the Rapture Take Place? that there is no gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. The Bible clearly states the two events will take place on the same 24-hour day: :shocked


The proponents of the Psalm 83 hypothesis clearly state that the alleged war of Psalm 83 will take place after the Church has been raptured, and before the start of the Tribulation. If it takes place before the Tribulation starts it means the Church will still be on Earth, because the Rapture takes place on the day the Tribulation starts as shown in Luke 17:27, 29.


The War of Gog/Magog must therefore take place prior to the start of the Tribulation. We also know that it will take place at least 3½ years before the start of the Tribulation.


The Rapture will take place as LaHaye said, “simultaneously with the signing of the covenant between the Antichrist and Israel.” :shocked

I have never, ever heard of this possibility before. If this is true, maybe we should be watching and trying to figure out who the Antichrist is! I've been hearing for years and years, Christians should not be looking for the Antichrist....


The 5 primary reasons that I believe the War of Gog/Magog will take place before the Rapture/Tribulation are given in my book, The Millennium, the Apocalypse and Armageddon:



1. The Antichrist signs his Shalom covenant with Israel, that is a peace covenant. The Russian led invasion takes place when Israel is dwelling in security (betach) as it is today, not when it will be living in “peace” when the Antichrist signs a covenant with them.

2. The Western powers are still in existence when this war breaks out because they make a timid response to the invasion by asking Russia if it has come to take a “spoil” and a “prey” (Ezekiel 38.13). A world government will be established prior to the rise of the Antichrist and the start of the Tribulation (Daniel 7.23-24). The War of Gog/Magog must take place before then because there is no world government that responds to the invasion. Instead individual nations make a response.

3. The invasion gives rise to a worldwide revival (Ezekiel 39.7). It starts with the first stage of Israel’s conversion. The second stage of Israel’s conversion comes after the 144,000 witnesses are commissioned (Revelation 7.1-8). They lead millions of people to Jesus Christ throughout the world (Revelation 7.9).

4. The implements of war are burned for 7 years (Ezekiel 39.8-9). As noted previously they cannot be burned into the Millennial Kingdom.

5. Egypt and its allies – Ethiopia, Put, Lud, Arabia and Libya – will be destroyed before the start of the Tribulation along with the nations that support Egypt (Ezekiel 30.1-6). Russia has supported Egypt against Israel since 1948. Therefore Egypt will be destroyed along with Russia in the War of Gog/Magog before the Tribulation.

What of the rapture and imminecy? This is implying that the rapture can't happen until the war of Gog/Magog happens, and also not until the Antichrist has a pen in his hand hovered over the peace treaty with Israel.

My head hurts. :stars

[twinkle]

Please guys, why can't we get these prophecies right? One way or the other. It's taking a toll on me, I'm just about to the point that I realize that I may not be strong enough for endtime prophecy. I so wanted to cross the finish line on this. Not sure that I can.

I really admire all of you that keep on keeping on. God Bless you and reward you greatly. Amen.

[Mr. Duffee]

Yeah, Psalm 83 may very well be next on the timeline. Bill Salus has a decent book on it entitled "Isralestine" that I read recently. Decent book.

[Gideon300]

You are certainly right about that! I would say that 'very interesting' is an understatement! :twitch

I have so many questions regarding this article that I'm not sure where to start.

I've taken some items from the article and posted them here, hoping that it will get RR members attention and prompt you to read the whole article.

What do you all think?





(War of Gog/Magog)

:shocked





:shocked

I have never, ever heard of this possibility before. If this is true, maybe we should be watching and trying to figure out who the Antichrist is! I've been hearing for years and years, Christians should not be looking for the Antichrist....



What of the rapture and imminecy? This is implying that the rapture can't happen until the war of Gog/Magog happens, and also not until the Antichrist has a pen in his hand hovered over the peace treaty with Israel.

My head hurts. :stars

I posted my thoughts on this article. It is my belief this author gets quite a bit wrong.

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?55586-Is-the-Psalm-83-War-Next-on-the-Prophetic-Timeline/page40

[URGodzFavrit]

What do you think of this?

As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

Could be that the Texas wildfires in the Davis mountains are a sign of what the Lord will do to the enemies of Israel, unless they repent!

[twinkle]

I posted my thoughts on this article. It is my belief this author gets quite a bit wrong.

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?55586-Is-the-Psalm-83-War-Next-on-the-Prophetic-Timeline/page40

:hug :hug thank you so very much for answering my post. Your explanations really helped.

I have loved Bible prophecy but it is far from being my strong suit. I really try to 'get it' and understand it for myself but I'm not wired to overcome all the angles and hurdles, I need help.

That article had me in tears, I was so frustrated and confused. I nearly walked away from having anymore to do with Bible prophecy.

[Gideon300]

:hug :hug thank you so very much for answering my post. Your explanations really helped.

I have loved Bible prophecy but it is far from being my strong suit. I really try to 'get it' and understand it for myself but I'm not wired to overcome all the angles and hurdles, I need help.

That article had me in tears, I was so frustrated and confused. I nearly walked away from having anymore to do with Bible prophecy.

I'm glad I could help. Don't get that frustrated, just remember that, for the most part, we are guessing as to how things will play out. Most guesses are very educated, but still only our sovereign God knows how things will occur. At the same time we are called to watch, and know the season in which we live.

We will not be here to see the antichrist, so don't hang your head, lift up your face because our Lord cometh!

Maranatha!

[WVBORN56]

:hug :hug thank you so very much for answering my post. Your explanations really helped.

I have loved Bible prophecy but it is far from being my strong suit. I really try to 'get it' and understand it for myself but I'm not wired to overcome all the angles and hurdles, I need help.

That article had me in tears, I was so frustrated and confused. I nearly walked away from having anymore to do with Bible prophecy.

Twinkle...please don't do that! Be encouraged! The finish line is within sight! :hug