Is the Psalm 83 War Next on the Prophetic Timeline?

[Gideon300]

Question to anyone. I am unsure of the involvement of Iraq in Psalm 83. While Assyria is mentioned and it does cover northern Iraq as well as parts of Syria, it doesn't mention Babylon which would cover the central and southern part of Iraq. Does anyone have thoughts on this?:idunno:scratch

dleader,

I believe what we might see here is that combatants from Iraq will participate, but this doesn't mean the government of Iraq will fully commit. It is very very interesting that Babylon isn't mentioned!

This is what we saw when US forces went into Iraq. There was a large influx of foreign fighters making their way into Iraq to fight US troops. One of the largest nation fighters were coming from was Libya, and it was a certain city in Libya providing the fighters, but one would not say that the Libyan government was actively at war with the US in Iraq.

It is possible this is the same scenario that we see with Egypt. The Sinai has combatants at war with Israel in Psalm 83, but Egypt itself is not mentioned, so it is possible national Egypt may not be involved, but Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood fighters that are based in the Sinai very well might be. I would be hard-pressed to say they wouldn't be involved. Hamas is their Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood.

[OtherSideOfTheBoat]

I believe the Iraqis will show up in Ezekiel 38 not Psalm 83.

[dleader]

I believe the Iraqis will show up in Ezekiel 38 not Psalm 83.

Which name are they listed as in that passage?

[RandallB]

Its been a while since the Which War Next poll was conducted.

In light of all the journeys of discovery that the RR-BB members have been on since that time, it might be time to conduct an updated poll.

[OtherSideOfTheBoat]

Which name are they listed as in that passage?

I read Psalm 83 today in my morning Bible study and it looks like I was WRONG.:doh

Psalm 83:8 says, "Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah." This covers part of Iraq.

Ezekiel 38:5 reads, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:” The actual name here is Cush not Ethiopia. We need to focus on the Bible first and "the" scholars after that. The public scholars may translate Cush as Ethiopia but that disagrees with Genesis 2:10-14. Genesis 10:6-20 suggests the scholars are off. Numbers 12:1-3 tells us Moses wife was a Cushite. Being Ethiopian does not make sense for Zipporah. Judges 3:8 says, "Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years." Chushanrishathaim means "Chushan of double wickedness". Chushan means king of the Cush. He was king Mesopotamia in Iraq not Ethiopia. In Psalm 87 the psalmist came from Philistia, and Tyre, with Cush. The Jews came from Ur but not Africa. In Ezekiel 29:8-10 Cush bordered Egypt but on the opposite end of Syene which is now Aswan on the south side. That puts them on the north end. Habakkuk 3:7 associated Cush with Midian.

We need to lay aside tradition and focus on scripture.

[dleader]

I read Psalm 83 today in my morning Bible study and it looks like I was WRONG.:doh

Psalm 83:8 says, "Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah." This covers part of Iraq.

Ezekiel 38:5 reads, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:” The actual name here is Cush not Ethiopia. We need to focus on the Bible first and "the" scholars after that. The public scholars may translate Cush as Ethiopia but that disagrees with Genesis 2:10-14. Genesis 10:6-20 suggests the scholars are off. Numbers 12:1-3 tells us Moses wife was a Cushite. Being Ethiopian does not make sense for Zipporah. Judges 3:8 says, "Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years." Chushanrishathaim means "Chushan of double wickedness". Chushan means king of the Cush. He was king Mesopotamia in Iraq not Ethiopia. In Psalm 87 the psalmist came from Philistia, and Tyre, with Cush. The Jews came from Ur but not Africa. In Ezekiel 29:8-10 Cush bordered Egypt but on the opposite end of Syene which is now Aswan on the south side. That puts them on the north end. Habakkuk 3:7 associated Cush with Midian.

We need to lay aside tradition and focus on scripture.

Thanks for clearing that up.:hat

[Gideon300]

I read Psalm 83 today in my morning Bible study and it looks like I was WRONG.:doh

Psalm 83:8 says, "Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah." This covers part of Iraq.

Ezekiel 38:5 reads, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:” The actual name here is Cush not Ethiopia. We need to focus on the Bible first and "the" scholars after that. The public scholars may translate Cush as Ethiopia but that disagrees with Genesis 2:10-14. Genesis 10:6-20 suggests the scholars are off. Numbers 12:1-3 tells us Moses wife was a Cushite. Being Ethiopian does not make sense for Zipporah. Judges 3:8 says, "Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushanrishathaim eight years." Chushanrishathaim means "Chushan of double wickedness". Chushan means king of the Cush. He was king Mesopotamia in Iraq not Ethiopia. In Psalm 87 the psalmist came from Philistia, and Tyre, with Cush. The Jews came from Ur but not Africa. In Ezekiel 29:8-10 Cush bordered Egypt but on the opposite end of Syene which is now Aswan on the south side. That puts them on the north end. Habakkuk 3:7 associated Cush with Midian.

We need to lay aside tradition and focus on scripture.

Correct Cush is most likely not Ethiopia. When you compare the geographic area of Cush with a modern map most people today believe Cush is Sudan. Sudan is directly south of Egypt.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/af.htm

Interesting in recent news is that Iran and Russia have arms deals with Sudan:
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/09/22/four-russian-arms-deals-that-worry-the-us/

Iran and Sudan sign military cooperation:
http://www.sudantribune.com/Sudan-Iran-sign-military,26294

[lookingup321]

I have *a few questions and comments regarding some of the nations listed in Psalm 83. According to Psalm 83 the nations that are listed will be in a war with Israel. First I believe that the current events (revolutions) in the middle east are setting the stage for Psalm 83. *My question is with the remaining nations.*One question was going to be on Jordan but with recent news (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/220279) it looks like they will be going the way of revolution soon as well. Do you see this happening as well? My main question is with Saudi Arabia. Do you think they also will become a victim of revolution and join the list of the 'confederacy'?(Or maybe a portion of Saudi?) I know only time will tell exactly how the Lord will bring this about. *Some of my thoughts on how it could come about seems that it may have something to do with the Saudis neighbor Yemen and maybe Oman. Just some thoughts and questions, thanks.

[Rei]

As of yesterday and today, it began. Celebrations in support for Palestine at the UN have gone sour and turned into protests. The biggest one clocked in so far with 10,000 people. I'm sure you're all aware of these protests. DON'T BE DISCOURAGED AT ALL THE DELAY TALK. They will forever want a delay because there will BE no peace until the AntiChrist can administer it, which we won't be here for. Right now I want to quickly discuss what -could- happen, and what appears to BE happening.

The Palestinians have created an international no-lose situation. If they get their state, they're entitled to take their land. If they DON'T get their state, then they have international sympathy and are entitled by the Arab Spring to take their land.

Israel's enemies have raised a tumult already. They have promised this is, and I quote, 'just the very, very beginning', and that when the veto hits, the already frustrated Palestinians will boil over. We're heading for ugly times. And if the Palestinians push the IDF too far and are retaliated against forcefully, then the friends of the Palestinians will jump in to help. Now is the perfect window for Assad to distract from his own war and send it to Israel, much like he did mid-May with the border breach. Note that when it happened last time, 'bombing Damascus' was a legitimate answer being considered. Now picture it again on a wider scale.

No matter where these UN events take us, I daresay Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 are as imminent on the radar as our rapture could be. In the midst of the chaos of a huge war and the disappearance of millions, the man with the plan will then be able to step up and present everyone with peace, security, and answers (Apparently Obama said Peace and Security seven times in his speech today. Just noting). This UN assembly has been long-anticipated as the 'diplomatic train wreck'. What better conditions for an AntiChrist?

Keep watching and don't be discouraged by talks of delay. The Palestinian State ≠ Our Rapture.

[OnlyHIM!]

As of yesterday and today, it began. Celebrations in support for Palestine at the UN have gone sour and turned into protests. The biggest one clocked in so far with 10,000 people. I'm sure you're all aware of these protests. DON'T BE DISCOURAGED AT ALL THE DELAY TALK. They will forever want a delay because there will BE no peace until the AntiChrist can administer it, which we won't be here for. Right now I want to quickly discuss what -could- happen, and what appears to BE happening.

The Palestinians have created an international no-lose situation. If they get their state, they're entitled to take their land. If they DON'T get their state, then they have international sympathy and are entitled by the Arab Spring to take their land.

Israel's enemies have raised a tumult already. They have promised this is, and I quote, 'just the very, very beginning', and that when the veto hits, the already frustrated Palestinians will boil over. We're heading for ugly times. And if the Palestinians push the IDF too far and are retaliated against forcefully, then the friends of the Palestinians will jump in to help. Now is the perfect window for Assad to distract from his own war and send it to Israel, much like he did mid-May with the border breach. Note that when it happened last time, 'bombing Damascus' was a legitimate answer being considered. Now picture it again on a wider scale.

No matter where these UN events take us, I daresay Psalm 83/Isaiah 17 are as imminent on the radar as our rapture could be. In the midst of the chaos of a huge war and the disappearance of millions, the man with the plan will then be able to step up and present everyone with peace, security, and answers (Apparently Obama said Peace and Security seven times in his speech today. Just noting). This UN assembly has been long-anticipated as the 'diplomatic train wreck'. What better conditions for an AntiChrist?

Keep watching and don't be discouraged by talks of delay. The Palestinian State ≠ Our Rapture.



Here is the Fox News video:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1173963120001/palestinians-protest-in-support-of-statehood-bid