Where did the Muslims go wrong?

[Dodi]

My husband brought this question up and it is something I didn't think of until he asked. Where did the Muslims go wrong?
Issac & Ishmael were raised by the same father, Abraham. Abraham was a follower of God. Because of this following of God, Abraham would have taught both boys from the time of being a little child on how they were to follow the same God. Later in life when Ishmael and Haggar left, God continued to protect them.
Does anyone know when the Muslim faith changed from God to Allah? If so, why? If Ishmael, the father of the Muslim faith, followed God (and I would assume Ishmael did since it was God he was taught about and God who protected him and his mother) then why don't the Muslims follow the same? What changed their minds?

[Sandra1701]

Hi Kelly,
Ishmael was not a Muslim. Ishmael nor his descendants were Muslims.
The descendants of Ishmael were pagans.

The Muslim religion was invented by the "Prophet Mohammad" over six hundred years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. It was channeled through Mohammad supposedly by the arch angel Gabriel. Mohammad then spread his new religion by the sword.

The Bible says of Ishmael, "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Only God knows the answer to why Ishmael went wrong, but Ishmael cannot be accused of being a Muslim because there was no such religion until 600 ad.

[Dodi]

Thanks Sandra,
I don't know much at all about the Muslim heritage but this helped answer the question.

[BornAgain123]

Hi Kelly,
Ishmael was not a Muslim. Ishmael nor his descendants were Muslims.
The descendants of Ishmael were pagans.

The Muslim religion was invented by the "Prophet Mohammad" over six hundred years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. It was channeled through Mohammad supposedly by the arch angel Gabriel. Mohammad then spread his new religion by the sword.

The Bible says of Ishmael, "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Only God knows the answer to why Ishmael went wrong, but Ishmael cannot be accused of being a Muslim because there was no such religion until 600 ad.

Of course-we all know that Isaac was this chosen one to where all the nation's would be blessed-where Isreal came about(if I worded this wrong, please correct me).

It's from here where the Muslim religion THINKS the bible got FORGED...they feel IT'S Ishmael who was the chosen one.

So yes, you are correct-Ishmael wasn't a Muslim...this was the consequence of Sarah and Abraham disobeying God(Sarah couldn't believe she could conceive a child at her old age, so she talked Abraham into conceiving one with Hagar).

If there's also a point to this-it's one of many times in the Bible where even the most prominent figures sinned, but suffered consequences(i.e. David is another).

[ZeldaCA]

I'm not an expert, but I'd say they had the same chance to recognize and accept Jesus as the Gentiles did. But when Mohammad came along, Jesus was relegated to a place of being just another prophet in their religion, Allah became God, and, the Koran became THE holy book.

To me, it looks suspiciously like a kind of counterfeit Christianty. They even imitated the Jews and Christians, insisting the Jewish Temple Mount actually was their own holy site, not ours (ignoring the fact that the Jewish Temple had been there for hundreds, if not a thousand years before Mohammad supposedly stood on it).

And you have to ask yourself, who would benefit from starting a counterfeit Christian faith.....Lucifer, of course.

[Watchingthesky]

Ishmael is, essentially at its core, the product of man's unfaithfulness to God. He is the physical representation of mankind not believing (or remaining faithful to) what God had said. Abraham slept with Haggar because he was doubting what God had told him about Sarah bearing him a son.

And look at what has happened, simply because Abraham doubted God's word. Today, Ishmael's descendants are their most ardent enemies. And they are indeed wild men, with their hands against everyone.

Satan allowed these descendants to multiply over the centuries and then it was a simple matter really to introduce Islam to them. At Islam's core is rejection of Jesus Christ and hatred of the Jews. It's the only major religion that arose solely for the purpose of explaining away and nullifying another religion (Christianity).

Islam played on all Ishmael's descendants' tendencies, and their ancient rejection by Abraham in favor of Issac. Thus the feverish hatred of Jews, and by extension the One True God.

Muslims are trapped in spiritual bondage, burning with a hatred for the True God in favor of Satan, the false god of this world. Deception.

Satan is using those more ready to be used. In summation, they never "went wrong" because they were never "right".

God bless.

[Guy4God]

Unfortunately, most people do not realize that Islam is at its very core a religion of antichrist. John said that to deny the Son is to blaspheme and deny the Father....

I John 2:22-23

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Islam absolutely denies that Jesus is the Son of God. He is just a prophet who, (I was told this by a Mohammadeen just last Friday), who misrepresented [Allah] by doing too many miracles so he was taken back to heaven. When [Allah] choose Mohammad as the next (hmmm...and final...) prophet, he was told just to give the people the book...no miracles, don't claim to be God, none of that...just write the Koran. The book categorically denies every aspect of the Christian Faith. It is false and antichrist in its very existance.

(btw...I call them Mohammadeens because that is what they really are...followers of Mohammad...Allah just happens to be their god)

[faithmarie]

Islam believes Ishmael was the one who was going to be sacrificed.
They believe Jesus never died on the Cross, that another was put in His place. This removes Jesus' shed Blood for our sins. They have everything backwards, which is a trait of the devil.
Mohammad was a merchant traveling in caravans.Two of his wives were Jewish and two were Christian among the many wives he had. He must have heard alot of stories, because there is a mixture of everything in the quran. Even reincarnation.
These people are in bondage, everything they believe is a lie. At least the catholics believe Jesus is God and died for our sins ,albeit they then rip away at the truth.But Islam has everything backwards, upsidedown and inside out. He, mohammad got his so called messages while haveing some sort of epileptic fits, even he questioned what he was recieving. But the woman, Khadija, his old wife encouraged him. I believe there are atleast 10 places in the quran it is making excuses and saying mohammed was not possesed.
Mohammad even married a 9 year old girl and also told his... son or soninlaw or someone , I cant' remember who, allah told him , he was to have his wife, that he should give her to mohammad. Creepy. And the bloodshed... well his character speaks for itself.

[Daniel1210]

Sandra1701
The Muslim religion was invented by the "Prophet Mohammad" over six hundred years after the death and resurrection of Jesus. It was channeled through Mohammad supposedly by the arch angel Gabriel. Mohammad then spread his new religion by the sword.
How about it was channeled through Mohammad by the devil posing as the Archangel Gabriel.

[ransomed]

I'm no biblical scholar, but my understanding of scripture is that the story can be traced back to Jacob and Esau, the twin boys of Isaac. Esau was a hunter and an adventurer, and Isaac loved him more than Jacob. But Esau sold his birthright to Jacob and later lost his father's promise and his blessing (Gen. 27:26-29). He only had one blessing (that is the blessing of inheritance God gave to Abraham which was then passed on to Isaac) to bestow upon his two sons, so Esau kind of lost out in the deal, even though he had been the rightful heir. Isaac said to Esau in Gen. 27:39-40:

Behold, away from the fatness of the earth shall your dwelling be, and away from the dew of heaven on high. By your sword you shall live, and you shall serve your brother, but when you grow restless, you shall break his yoke from your neck.

Later Esau leaves his family and marries Mahalath, the daughter of Ishmael, and eventually many Canaanite wives. He ultimately becomes the father of the Edomites. There are several places in the bible (Ezekiel, Isaiah, Amos) where it is said that God will have his vengeance on the Edomites for their evil deeds.

The Jewish-Muslim conflict is reflective of this clash between the sons of Jacob and the sons of Esau. And the Muslim claim is that they are the true children of God.