Rob Bell, the ear tickler!!!

[Benjamin]

JohnnyHye definately put some ownage on this thread.

Wow, some good points.

There are verbatim quotes form that bullhorn video which are Biblically just absolutely wrong.

[grape on the vine]

JohnnyHye definately put some ownage on this thread.

Wow, some good points.

There are verbatim quotes form that bullhorn video which are Biblically just absolutely wrong.
Such as?

[BlessedinHim]

Rob Bell says that God is Love.
while that is true, so is:
God is Just.
God is Mercy

and like Todd said, if you saw a blind man walking toward a cliff, would you whisper to him about meaningless words of love, or would you shout out of love, "Hey, stop, you are gonna fall off the edge and die!!!!" Which action is actually Love in practice? Just talking about it, or practice?

[WhitemoonG]

Grape:


Have you read "Velvet Elvis?"


Can YOU provide a quote (Direct from Bell) that we are sinners, need to Repent and ask Jesus Christ to save us for eternal life? I can provide quotes, directly from Bell, where he relates it to just about anything BUT that.
All sorts of universalistic, cosmic consciousness, joining the universal cosmic party with ecstatic living the main point, etc.

Can you provide quotes from Karl Marx that we are sinners, need to Repent and ask Jesus Christ to save us for eternal life?

Can you provide quotes from Walt Whitman that we are sinners, need to Repent and ask Jesus Christ to save us for eternal life?


Can you provide quotes from Sir Edmund Hilary that he, rather than Tenzing Norgay, noticed the most pretty tropical fish near the summit of Everest?

If not, should I continue search for the truth of Hilary's tropical fish acumen?

Quotes from Bell will be provided soon. They speak for themselves.

Find a quote from Bell that we are sinners, need to repent and ask Jesus Christ to save us for eternal life. I think it will be a long, long search.

[grape on the vine]

Rob Bell says that God is Love.
while that is true, so is:
God is Just.
God is Mercy

and like Todd said, if you saw a blind man walking toward a cliff, would you whisper to him about meaningless words of love, or would you shout out of love, "Hey, stop, you are gonna fall off the edge and die!!!!" Which action is actually Love in practice? Just talking about it, or practice?
You have completely missed the message Bell is giving.

[grape on the vine]

Grape:
Can YOU provide a quote (Direct from Bell) that we are sinners, need to Repent and ask Jesus Christ to save us for eternal life?

It has been a gradual realization that at the center of the Christian church for thousands of years has been this risen Christ who invites people to trust him; trust him with life, trust him with death, trust him with sin, trust him with future, trust him with hope, trust him with everyday.
If you are desperate to meet this risen Christ, you meet him in a way that destroys and previous categories you had. I keep finding that this Christ, whatever things I’ve built, destroys them and shows himself to be bigger and wider and deeper and more loving.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/172/story_17290_2.html

[BlessedinHim]

You have completely missed the message Bell is giving.

you are entitled to your opinion. I have seen enough about Rob Bell to realize that he does not preach all the truth. To the standard, a partial truth is a lie. I see him as part of the emerging crowd.

Matthew 7:13-15 (King James Version)

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[funmudder]

Grape, does it ever occur to you that all these threads and voices shouting warning bells about Bell could actually be by people educated and not just bandwagon jumpers?

A person I respect once told me:
One person disagrees with you, and you could still be right.
Two people disagree with you and you can still be right, but should listen to their points to better clarify your position.
Three people disagree with you and it would be wisdom to consider what they see that you don't.

Several hundred posts based in actual scripture refuting the "new" christianity Bell preaches, should really be driving you to look at the reasons we shout so loudly.

We have already gone over and over exact quotes and his misapplication of scripture in other threads. Repeating that in this thread is a waste of time when anyone can already read those threads that ended up locked for being circular. And really it's a distraction from the point.

It's with good reason there are alarms about this man, and it has nothing to do with relating to a younger hipper crowd. It has everything to do with his preaching a false gospel.

I know you are an intelligent person grape, and I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt. But in all honesty, your blind devotion to the person despite the hundreds of posts refuting his version of the gospel really begs me to wonder why it appears Bells message is more important than Gods?

How often does one need to list the quotes and the scripture that shows the person being quoted is a false messenger before one starts to believe the truth over a new fad?

[funmudder]

Bell was once away on vacation from his Mars Hill "Church," and to whom did he entrust his pulpit while away? Some far out lady advocate and spokesman for the mystic/spiritualistic occultic stuff called Reikki sp?

Now, dare I ask what in the world kind of "pastor" turns his pulpit over to that garbage?


WhitemoonG, welcome to the good fight :hug

GREAT question.

My answer: Not one that should claim to be a Christian.

[Sing4Him]

.Narrative Theology Statement--Rob Bell

..........We believe these longings found their fulfillment in Jesus the Messiah, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin, mysteriously God in the flesh. Jesus came to preach good news to the poor, to bind up the brokenhearted
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us Rms. 5:8 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1 Cor. 15:3
and to set captives free, proclaiming a new arrival of the Kingdom of God, :tsk
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.John 18:36 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of GodMark 10:25 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earthLuke 11:2

bringing about a New Exodus, :scratch and restoring our fractured world. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Col. 2:8 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God, James 4:4 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1 John 2:15 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:17 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, Rev 13:13
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earthRev 16:1 ..for he hath judged the great *****, which did corrupt the earth Rev 9:2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up 2 Peter 3:10
He and his message were rejected by many as he confronted the oppressive nature of the religious elite and the empire of Rome. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not Is 53:3 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentanceMark 2:17
Yet his path of suffering,:ohno death, burial, and resurrection has brought hope I am come that they might have life, and that they might have life more abundantly. John 10:10
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God Rms. 3:23
to all creation. Jesus is our only hope
for bringing reconciliation between God and humans. --Uh.. not stated how!we were reconciled to God by the death of his SonRms 5:10
Through Jesus we have been forgiven (HOW?? THROUGH HIM??--NO--totally misses this!-->>-- Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through himRms. 5:9
and reconciled to God. God is now reconciling us to each other, ourselves, and creation.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness2 Cor. 6:14 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness1 Cor. 3:19

For all who trust Jesus, the Spirit of God affirms as children of God, empowers with gifts, convicts, guides, comforts, counsels, and leads into truth through a communal life of worship and a missional expression of our faith. No!But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts. 1 Thess. 2:4 Leads into TRUTH?? Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

The church is a global and local expression of living out the way of Jesus Jesus saith unto him, I am the wayJohn 14:6
through love, sacrifice, and healing as we embody the resurrected Christ, who lives in and through us, to a broken and hurting world. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever John 14:16 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. 2 Cor. 1:22


Covenant-- Rob Bell

"We covenant to go forward because the life of faith is a journey".

"We covenant to go inward because we want to be whole people."NO! Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 1 Tim. 4:1


I covenant with Mars Hill.http://www.marshill.org/pdf/covenant.pdf

You shall not make false vows, but shall fulfill your vows to the Lord.’ But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King Matt. 5:33-35


Bell continued:

Covenant is a biblical concept. In the Ancient Near East, covenant was a binding agreement in which covenant members had certain obligations and could expect certain benefits in return. What makes a covenant different from a simple binding agreement is that covenant implies meaningful relationship. God covenanted with Noah, Abram, and eventually the people of Israel at Mt. Sinai. The prophets viewed the covenant at Sinai as a marriage between Yahweh and his people. We believe that to commit our lives to God, one another, and the world in meaningful relationship is what it means to be the church. No..wrong

For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sinsRms 11:27 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. Heb 13:20

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence Col. 1:18

Bell--ROOTS ( of his church beliefs)
....We believe the Bible to be the voices of many who have come before us, inspired by God to pass along their poems, stories, accounts, and letters of response and relationship with each other and the living God. To know where we're going, we have to know where we've been
For no prophecy ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by the Holy Spirit 2 Peter 1:21

Bell-Journey
We have great confidence that God will restore all of creation under the authority of Christ. We believe that every church has to ask the question: "What does it look like for us to live out that future reality today?" (Sing4Him: see above regarding the Kingdom today!no)We are constantly exploring, questioning, and wrestling with new and creative ways to live out and communicate the teachings of Jesus. As the truth of Christ is in me..2 Cor. 11:10 Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. 2 Cor. 13:3 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal 5:14

Bell-- "We value the inner journey, because we want to be fully integrated people-mind, body, and soul, emotions and experiences all offered together to God. " Sing: Inner journey??!
Bell-- "Jesus calls his church to be a [compelling force for good in the world, and we believe that the church is at its best when it serves, sacrifices, and loves, caring about the things God cares about. We were created to live for something larger than ourselves. " (Sing: puzzlement!)again--> I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.Gal 2:20
Bell--" Because we see faith as a journey,"
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith Rms. 1:17
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. 2 Pet. 3:13
change is assumed,:twitch innovation is expected, and rebirth is welcomed. " Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Heb 13:8