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woodgrinch
September 8th, 2008, 02:14 PM
Is there any other writtings possibly in some other texts not included in the Bible that talk about the dead Saints in Matthew 27:52-53?
The importance of Jesus death was not recognized for some time after his death, but I would think that Saints that you knew had died were back walking through the streets of Jerusalem talking and preaching would have been huge! Can you just imagine being one of the ones who had Jesus killed and have one of the dead Saints that may have taught you, come to your house and tell you how bad you messed up? I would like to know what the Saints preached about, I'm sure they were wise before death, imagine how much wiser they were having seen the things they saw after death. I'm surprised that the Apostles didn't have at least a chapter about this and the huge conversion to Christ that I would have thought would have occured after this event.

Miss Molly
September 8th, 2008, 04:15 PM
I don’t believe there is any other writing of this either in the Bible or any secular work. It’s one of those things we wonder about and we wish we had more information. Until the Lord sees fit to enlighten us, any explanation can be only speculation. As long as we remember that it’s fun to try to figure it out.

Maybe those who rose at Jesus’ death are the same ones mentioned in Revelation as the 24 elders. :idunno Who knows? It appears this happened to show Jesus’ power over death. It also appears this did not happen when Jesus died but after his resurrection. We know Jesus is the first born from the dead and this is confirmed in Acts 26:23 and Rev.1:5 so when it says in Matt.27:53 the saints came out of their graves after his resurrection all the pieces fit.

We might also speculate that we are not given much information about this for a very basic reason. The scriptures are about CHRIST’S death and resurrection, not the saints. I can only imagine the misplaced worship that may have occurred if the early church had more than one risen human to honor! Just look at the catholic church and all their saints… :fear

Tony H
September 20th, 2008, 11:48 AM
Hello friends!

Although Isa 26:19 point toward the rapture (v.20), it also has a direct fulfillment..."together with my dead body"...

The saints that were raised together with Yeshua had to be Old Testament saints and are most likely the 24 elders, although there could be more than these.

Naturally all saints that have died or have been translated are present with the Lord. Yet most are waiting for their glorified bodies.
The saints that were spoken of; raised together with Yeshua, were raised into glorified bodies.

Many blessings in Yeshua,

Tony

Buzzardhut
September 20th, 2008, 11:56 AM
Is there any other writtings possibly in some other texts not included in the Bible that talk about the dead Saints in Matthew 27:52-53?
The importance of Jesus death was not recognized for some time after his death, but I would think that Saints that you knew had died were back walking through the streets of Jerusalem talking and preaching would have been huge! Can you just imagine being one of the ones who had Jesus killed and have one of the dead Saints that may have taught you, come to your house and tell you how bad you messed up? I would like to know what the Saints preached about, I'm sure they were wise before death, imagine how much wiser they were having seen the things they saw after death. I'm surprised that the Apostles didn't have at least a chapter about this and the huge conversion to Christ that I would have thought would have occured after this event.

Scripture shows they were raised to life again, like Lazarus, and went into town.
It does not say what happened after they reached the people.
I'm sure many that buried those dead were shocked and stunned.


This is probably what happened (as with Lazarus)

John 12:9–13

Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he [Jesus] was there: and they came not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus. On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, ‘Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.’”

DerRickster
September 20th, 2008, 05:20 PM
I do believe those saints were the 'firstfruits.'

Buzzardhut
September 20th, 2008, 09:05 PM
I do believe those saints were the 'firstfruits.'

Jesus was/is the first fruit
the rest are follow up fruit

chinalily42
September 25th, 2008, 08:14 AM
Wasn't like there 5000 raised at His resurrection. Don't remember where I read it though.
Hello friends!

Although Isa 26:19 point toward the rapture (v.20), it also has a direct fulfillment..."together with my dead body"...

The saints that were raised together with Yeshua had to be Old Testament saints and are most likely the 24 elders, although there could be more than these.

Naturally all saints that have died or have been translated are present with the Lord. Yet most are waiting for their glorified bodies.
The saints that were spoken of; raised together with Yeshua, were raised into glorified bodies.

Many blessings in Yeshua,

Tony

Tony H
September 25th, 2008, 03:48 PM
Many ("much", "large", "great") Matt 27:52
24..."although there could be more than these" >= 24 (more saints, not elders...)
"Although" was a somewhat restrictive word; I stand (somewhat) corrected. ;)
If 5000 is correct that is strong evidence they were indeed raised into glorified bodies.
Or could 5000 have died within 3 or 4 days (Lazarus). Remember that the mortal body starts to decompose on the 4th day...Food for thought....
Many blessings in Yeshua,
Tony

Surrender
September 28th, 2008, 02:02 AM
Is there any other writtings possibly in some other texts not included in the Bible that talk about the dead Saints in Matthew 27:52-53?
The importance of Jesus death was not recognized for some time after his death, but I would think that Saints that you knew had died were back walking through the streets of Jerusalem talking and preaching would have been huge! Can you just imagine being one of the ones who had Jesus killed and have one of the dead Saints that may have taught you, come to your house and tell you how bad you messed up? I would like to know what the Saints preached about, I'm sure they were wise before death, imagine how much wiser they were having seen the things they saw after death. I'm surprised that the Apostles didn't have at least a chapter about this and the huge conversion to Christ that I would have thought would have occured after this event.This last part makes me lean toward believing they were given glorified bodies, showed themselves briefly and then were taken up by the Lord. If they were considered the "first fruits" of the harvest of those who had died, this would match the tradition I've heard that the High Priest (on the day of first fruits) would bundle together the first fruits of the harvest, show them to the people of Israel, and then take them to the Temple and wave them before the Lord for His acceptance or approval. Anyone read of this before?

Surrender
September 28th, 2008, 02:08 AM
I don’t believe there is any other writing of this either in the Bible or any secular work. It’s one of those things we wonder about and we wish we had more information. Until the Lord sees fit to enlighten us, any explanation can be only speculation. As long as we remember that it’s fun to try to figure it out.

Maybe those who rose at Jesus’ death are the same ones mentioned in Revelation as the 24 elders. :idunno Who knows? It appears this happened to show Jesus’ power over death...This part here seems to support they were given glorified bodies. They already knew Jesus had "power" over death in that He could raise the dead. He had previously only raised a dead person to mortal life (could die again). The resurrection of these saints where probably to immortal life (can't die again). That is the power over death that the Lord has victory over, right?