Pauline Dispensationalism

[CarolLyn]

HeIsEnough,
Thank you! You said everything I have been thinking as I read this thread. I think its easy for people to forget that men did not write the Bible, God did!

[Paidfor]

It doesn't get any clearer. Whether it was the original eleven who preached it or Paul, it is the same. One faith, one hope, one belief.



Peter understood things as he was given them. His primary audience was to the people of Israel. The message was the same.



I see no division between Paul and Peter. This "two gospel" thing and this "two body" thing is a heresy. It doesn't add to anything, nor does it annul the Lords promises to natural Israel. As both grew and the Spirit increased and sharpened their understanding, so they related these things to us, for there is:

HeIsEnough
You know theologians have families to feed. If you keep uncomplicating the gospel, I fear their children may starve.:wave

[Lexie]

Are Zola Levitt and Arnold Fruchtenbaum teaching heresy?

This below is heresy imo


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This is plan offensive, they can't bring themselves, to say there are any Jew's, they will call them Israelis, Hebrews, but not Jew's, they think they are the Jew's.
http://www.reformation.org/israel.html

[CarolLyn]

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Timothy 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We must remember that all of the writers of scripture received a divine revelation, not just Paul. They didn't need to be caught up to the third heaven to receive this revelation, but the Holy Spirit revealed it to them. Every word of the scripture is God breathed. Rightly dividing the word of truth does not mean that we can declare half of the New Testament as being non relevant to the church. Whether you believe that the church age began in the middle of Acts or that it began at Pentecost (as I do), all of the epistles are written to the church. Some were written to churches made up primarily of Jews and some to churches of primarily gentiles. It makes no difference. They are all applicable to the church. God wrote it. It's all true. It's all applicable. If we don't understand it, we need to pray for understanding, not eliminate the parts that we think don't fit.

[BlessedinHim]

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Timothy 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We must remember that all of the writers of scripture received a divine revelation, not just Paul. They didn't need to be caught up to the third heaven to receive this revelation, but the Holy Spirit revealed it to them. Every word of the scripture is God breathed. Rightly dividing the word of truth does not mean that we can declare half of the New Testament as being non relevant to the church. Whether you believe that the church age began in the middle of Acts or that it began at Pentecost (as I do), all of the epistles are written to the church. Some were written to churches made up primarily of Jews and some to churches of primarily gentiles. It makes no difference. They are all applicable to the church. God wrote it. It's all true. It's all applicable. If we don't understand it, we need to pray for understanding, not eliminate the parts that we think don't fit.

I agree with you completely. We have to divide for understanding, but all is relevant to us.

I think however, the problem is that the word preached before the cross was to the Jews, but they rejected Jesus as messiah, He was crucified and rose again, then after the cross, Peter was indeed sent to the Jews, but the message he preached then was the message of Grace, and Paul was sent to the Gentiles also with the message of Grace. Grace was after the cross. Law was before the cross. The law is our schoolmaster, teaches us about our inability to please God. Then Jesus, crucified and risen, when we accept that, then we can begin to please God. First with Faith and belief in His son, and then by Grace as we live out our lives before Him. It is only being clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

[BlessedinHim]

ISRAEL'S SERMON ON THE MOUNT

Miles J. Stanford


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THE SERMON -- Christ’s Sermon on the Mount, addressed to Israel, is the next great leak in the Dispensational wall.

Why should the heavenly grace-Church be subjected to Jesus’ pre-Cross law-message of the kingdom to Israel? There is nothing in the Sermon on the Mount that is not superseded by Paul’s Church Epistles. Nothing!

Dr. Chafer places the Sermon in its proper scriptural perspective:

“The Sermon on the Mount is characterized—among other things—by the absence of those elements which are distinctly Christian, i.e., redemption by the Blood of Christ, faith, regeneration, deliverance from judgment, the Person and work of the Holy Spirit. The absence of these vital elements cannot but arrest the attention of those who are awake to, and jealous for, the faith once delivered to the saints.”

[BlessedinHim]

THE NINE BEATITUDES -- This kingdom message opens with the record of the ninefold blessing which is promised and provided for the faithful child of the kingdom (Matt. 5:1–12). These blessings are won through personal merit.

“Blessed are the poor [humble] in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” (v. 3). To the Christian it is said, “Put on, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercy, kindness, humbleness of mind” (Col. 3:12). In the teachings of grace, “put on” does not mean to pretend, or assume; it is the manifestation of the regenerate life through the power of the Spirit (Eph. 4:24; 6:11).

“Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted” (v. 4). Mourning does not belong to the Bride of Christ. To her a different message is given: “Rejoice in the Lord always; and again I say, Rejoice” (Phil. 4:4).

“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth” (v. 5). Under grace, meekness is wrought in the Christian by the Spirit (Gal. 5:23), and is never rewarded. While the meek in the kingdom will inherit the earth, the believer has an “inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you” (1 Pet. 1:4).

“Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled” (v. 6). The Christian may crave a closer walk with the Father; but he is already “made the righteousness of God in Him [Christ]” (2 Cor. 5:21).

“Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy” (vs. 7). In the kingdom mercy from God will be made to depend wholly on the exercise of mercy toward others. This is pure law. Under grace, the Christian is besought to be merciful, as one who has already obtained mercy (Eph. 2:4, 5; Titus 3:5).

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God” (v. 8). Opposed to this, and under grace it is written: “God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ” (2 Cor. 4:6).

“Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God” (v. 9). In the kingdom there will be special distinction given to those who promote peace. “They shall be called the children of God.” Under grace, no one is constituted a child of God by any works whatever, “for ye are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ” (Gal. 3:26).

“Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the [millennial] kingdom of heaven” (v. 10). The issue here again is righteousness. The Christian under grace, on the contrary, suffers with Christ and for His sake, and is rewarded in heaven.

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you… for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you” (v. 11, 12). Under grace the believer is called upon to suffer for Christ’s sake (Phil. 1:29).

[dramama]

It doesn't get any clearer. Whether it was the original eleven who preached it or Paul, it is the same. One faith, one hope, one belief.



Peter understood things as he was given them. His primary audience was to the people of Israel. The message was the same.



I see no division between Paul and Peter. This "two gospel" thing and this "two body" thing is a heresy. It doesn't add to anything, nor does it annul the Lords promises to natural Israel. As both grew and the Spirit increased and sharpened their understanding, so they related these things to us, for there is:
Peter did not have the revelations of the Dispensation of Grace or the mysteries, so I would say there is a difference (what would the church have without them?). This is not a "two body" or "two Gospel" thing...Peter and the others were sent to the Jews who still thought they were under the Law, Paul was to the Gentiles...God chose who was going to who and to do what, He chose to reveal things to Paul that he didn't choose to reveal to Peter, how is this "heresy"? And the messages while the same are yet different, the Jews had a hard time "getting it". It is one faith one hope, one belief but the message was brought differently to each group and Paul was told things the others were not. Paul even hard a hard time getting thru to the other disciples....they faught quite a bit. I'd say it was a transitional period from the Jews to the Gentiles...the Jews blindness was coming upon them.

[BlessedinHim]

WARNING -- “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits” (Matt. 7:15–20). The warning here is against false prophets who are to be discerned by the quality of their lives.

But the warning to the children of God under grace is against false teachers who are to be discerned by their doctrine concerning Christ (2 Pet. 2:1; 2 John 1:7–11)” (L. S. Chafer's Systematic Theology IV: 223).

[HeIsEnough]

Are Zola Levitt and Arnold Fruchtenbaum teaching heresy?


I know of Arnold and have read some of his works, I don't know Zola. I know Arnold preaches the law of Messiah, affirmed by our friend Matthew, who sat under his teachings. I don't believe Arnold teaches there are two different gospels, one for the Jew, one for the gentile. Any one who teaches that is in danger of this strong warning given by Paul in Galatians 1:6-10.

I won't comment on the other people you mentioned. I'm sure you can use your wisdom and discernment the Lord gave you. I think it better to tell someone the teaching is heretical, not that they are heretics. We all have some sort of belief thats 'not exactly' correct. It takes throwing out what is not true, even if it causes problems for a specific systematic view. It is the wise thing to do.