Pauline Dispensationalism

[kenod]

Very interesting, thank you for posting that.

If the Kingdom of God or Heaven is on Earth, are the Jews and those who are here during the millenial kingdom gonna have glorified bodies? Or, could the Kingdom of God or Heaven actually be after the millenial reign and after the great white throne judgement? After all, in the end we will be one group when it is all said and done.

I believe the KOG and the KOH are the same thing because of the interchangeable way the terms are used by the Gospel writers. And if this is so, then, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21)

All believers are now spiritually a part of the KOG/KOH ... living in "heavenly places" (Eph 1:3). This will eventually become a reality during the millennium when Jesus Christ reigns on the earth (Rev 20:4). We will "reign" with him in the glorified bodies promised in 1 Cor 15:51-53.

Who we will reign over is a very interesting question. Possibly those who survive the Tribulation ... and more controversially, possibly the heathen who never heard the Gospel are raised and given an opportunity to hear the truth. We know there is a rebellion at the end of the 1000 years (Rev 20:7-10) so not all those living on the earth during the millennium can be real believers. Anyway, that's just the way I see it at this present time.

PS ... I hope my arrogance is not reeking :)
Don't worry ... we all cop it sooner or later!

[Aliya]

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen

I'll take the salvation based on the gospel given from Christ to Paul for me, a truly grateful gentile :)

[Lexie]

Paul was sent to the gentiles, with the gospel of grace. There was a reason Jesus, waited until after Stephen's stoneing to raise Paul up, Jesus wanted the others to be a witness in Israel.

Peter never went to Rome, Joseph of Arimathea, a Counsellor/Doctor of the Law, Lazarus, and Mary Magdalene never went to England and France.. These Jew's stayed in thier homeland, for the most part, they found Peters ossuary in Israel.

The church has traditions, made by replacement teaching gentiles, who tried to rid the Jewish message of the bible, like the fact that easter is really the Jewish Passover meal, these gentiles, knew the more relics and saints you had, the more power. Some of them had people killed or caused people to be killed..

1Cr 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

[kenod]

Paul was sent to the gentiles, with the gospel of grace. There was a reason Jesus, waited until after Stephen's stoneing to raise Paul up, Jesus wanted the others to be a witness in Israel.

Peter never went to Rome, Joseph of Arimathea, a Counsellor/Doctor of the Law, Lazarus, and Mary Magdalene never went to England and France.. These Jew's stayed in thier homeland, for the most part, they found Peters ossuary in Israel.

I think it is unlikely that all the apostles stayed in Israel. There is a strong tradition that Thomas went to India. And Peter writes his first epistle from "Babylon" (either a euphemism for Rome, or the real Babylon) 1 Peter 5:13

[tekton]

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

[BlessedinHim]

Acts 1
1The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

I believe this is talking about before and after the cross. If you note the word until and after that,

3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

I think He is telling them here that it just isnt for them to know the times.

8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

hmm, here it says they were to take the gospel to all, the gospel they now had, because the Holy Spirit taught it to them as well as shown in the upper verses.

9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

I am still standing that before the cross was the gospel incomplete until "it is finished" after the cross they were taught by the Holy Spirit the complete gospel.

[BlessedinHim]

Acts 15
1And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. certain men were Not the apostles

2When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.

Looks like they are in agreement and working together here.

3And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

4And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.



Acts 15:5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Ah, the pharisees are still trying to be in charge, they havent given up just yet.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Peter is doing the speaking here and is backing up the gospel. Here is the gospel of grace.

12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

James is speaking.

14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,


16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

After what? read the previous verse, it says "14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. " then He will build again.

Why?
17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.


19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

23And they wrote letters by them after this manner;

The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

That was the letter written and sent.

30So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

31Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.

33And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.

Here in these verses I see them working together to reach as many as they can. I still dont see a different gospel between peter and paul. Looks the same.

[BlessedinHim]

I believe the KOG and the KOH are the same thing because of the interchangeable way the terms are used by the Gospel writers. And if this is so, then, "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21)

All believers are now spiritually a part of the KOG/KOH ... living in "heavenly places" (Eph 1:3). This will eventually become a reality during the millennium when Jesus Christ reigns on the earth (Rev 20:4). We will "reign" with him in the glorified bodies promised in 1 Cor 15:51-53.

Who we will reign over is a very interesting question. Possibly those who survive the Tribulation ... and more controversially, possibly the heathen who never heard the Gospel are raised and given an opportunity to hear the truth. We know there is a rebellion at the end of the 1000 years (Rev 20:7-10) so not all those living on the earth during the millennium can be real believers. Anyway, that's just the way I see it at this present time.

PS ... I hope my arrogance is not reeking :)
Don't worry ... we all cop it sooner or later!

I went through earlier and found KOH/KOG to be the same, however it was an interesting thing. Matthew almost exclusively used one while the other three used the other, however I believe if my memory hasnt failed me, they all used bot at least once.

Just clarifying, the ones being reigned over will not have glorified bodies just yet, right? But those with Christ will have their glorified bodies because we will have already been raptured.

During the millenium, the devil would be loosed a little season and yes the rebellion will happen again. and then once and for all it will be settled at the Great White throne in the end.

[BlessedinHim]

Acts2:22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

Here again in Acts 2, Peter does indeed preach Christ and him crucified and risen. Same message again. He has presented the gospel. Perhaps Peter didnt say it the same way Paul says it, but it is the same message.

[kenod]

I went through earlier and found KOH/KOG to be the same, however it was an interesting thing. Matthew almost exclusively used one while the other three used the other, however I believe if my memory hasnt failed me, they all used bot at least once.

Just clarifying, the ones being reigned over will not have glorified bodies just yet, right? But those with Christ will have their glorified bodies because we will have already been raptured.

During the millenium, the devil would be loosed a little season and yes the rebellion will happen again. and then once and for all it will be settled at the Great White throne in the end.

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