Pauline Dispensationalism

[Aliya]

These are both arguments from silence. The two may have had different audiences, but they preached but one Gospel.

LOL, your answer is nonsensical.

So you're saying that its the same thing that Gentiles are saved by faith alone, require no works, and will be removed from the world before the wrath..... and that is the same as Jews being told to repent, be baptized, prepare for the coming of the tribulation and the Kingdom?

Sometimes what is NOT said is just as important when it forms the crux of the message!

[dramama]

nevermind

[HeIsEnough]

I am a bible above all kind of person. If I cant see what that person says agree with the bible, then what that person says doesnt mean anything to me on this.


Very wise, and noble. :)

[God's Trombone]

LOL, your answer is nonsensical.

So you're saying that its the same thing that Gentiles are saved by faith alone, require no works, and will be removed from the world before the wrath..... and that is the same as Jews being told to repent, be baptized, prepare for the coming of the tribulation and the Kingdom?

Sometimes what is NOT said is just as important when it forms the crux of the message!
:yay

[HeIsEnough]

Quit implying I'm into replacement theology (THAT offends me). I have told you several times I AM NOT. You insist on posting to me about it. Did you not read the "no need to reply to my post" line in my last post. You don't get it, obviously I can't make my postitions clear to you, so we have nothing more to say to each other, we must agree to disagree. Have a good day. :wave Bye! (again, no need to reply to my post, I won't return to this thread)

I don't know your beliefs whatsoever, and if you feel I implied you're into RT, it was not my intention. You don't have to like me, that is your choice.

Good day.

[dramama]

I don't know your beliefs whatsoever, and if you feel I implied you're into RT, it was not my intention. You don't have to like me, that is your choice.

Good day.

I thought better of my post to you and edited it, but you beat me to it. I don't know you so I can't very well dislike you...your posts to me do however irritate me....We shall part ways on a much better note. :wave

[HeIsEnough]

LOL, your answer is nonsensical.

Sometimes what is NOT said is just as important when it forms the crux of the message!

It's actually quite sensible, and a reasonable position to hold. I believe God gives definitive positions on what is required of man, leaving nothing to be mistaken. Again, Peter affirms Paul's words, he affirms salvation through faith by grace.

[BlessedinHim]

:)Acts 4: 33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Peter


Acts 11: 21And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.

22Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

23Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.

24For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

25Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
Barnabas was with Peter

26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Here, Barnabas was with Paul and no where is it mentioned that Paul had to upgrade or finish teaching Barnabas about the Gospel. Barnabas had the Gospel already and he started out with Peter.

Here in Acts 13, this is where Paul and Barnabas leave the rest of the Apostles to go and do the work that the Lord had called them out to do.

2As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

3And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.




4So they(Paul and Barnabas), being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

5And when they (Paul and Barnabas), were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

6And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:

7Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.



I keep seeing them work together, and if there was indeed a different gospel that Peter preached apart from Paul, by all rights, there would be lots of confusion.

The style Peter preached in and the style Paul preached in could be why it looks as though there be 2 gospels. You might have thought that there were two places being talked about before, you know the KOH and the KOG, and due to style, Matthew taught about one and the other 3 taught about the other. but we all know that isnt so.

Please, Aliya, if you have scripture and can show me that there is another gospel that was taught by Peter apart and different from Paul, please show those scriptures. So far, I honestly cant see it that way for what the bible is telling me in all the previous posts we have been discussing this particular point. It is up to you to show me why you think there is a different gospel. I have showed you why I dont think there is.

[tekton]

Paul also told the Gentiles that Jesus Christ willingly gave up his life for our sins (Galatians 1:4). Whereas, Peter repeatedly accuses the Jews of murder. One example is Acts 2:36, where Peter says, "... Jesus, whom ye crucified ...." Peter also says in Acts 3:14-15, "But ye denied the Holy One ... and killed the Prince of life ...." Then in Acts 5:30 he says, "... Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree." Finally Stephen, who also preached Peter's gospel, told the Jews in Acts 7:52, "Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers ...."

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Peter and Stephen are correct the Jews did murder Christ.
They were guiltiy of murder here; Luk 23:21 But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Even before the actual crucification they were guilty. Are we then to believe that what Paul taught was wrong or at variance with the other Apostles? No, Paul also was correct; Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Jesus could have prayed to the Father for the angels to come and deliver him from his captors, but he didn't he willingly laid down his life. Then were the thoughts and intents of the Jews carried out. Both views are correct and neither is at odds with the other.

(Harley this reply is not intended for you personally but to point out that Matthew McGees is not correct)

[kenod]

I am saying that Paul's message from Christ gives us our good news, and the writings you list [note; Gospels + epitsles by disciples] give a different good news to a different group not of the Body of Christ we are part of. That doesn't say the writings are "not relevant to us". They are not sent TO us.Our own Apostle wrote:
II Tim. 3:1516 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


So the Gospels and the epistles by the disciples need to be "sifted" so that we do not apply teaching meant for Jewish Christians to we Gentile Christians? For example, I have seen it said that the Beatitudes, and in fact the whole Sermon on the Mount, contain no teaching that instructs a Gentile Christian on how to live.