Pauline Dispensationalism

[blitzkreig]

Just want to say Hey to GT. Good to see you ...er ... hear from you ...

[God's Trombone]

Blitzkreig,

I have been wondering where you have been. Haven't seen you around.

[gregbed]

So possibly my dispensational pastor is wrong and that we are the bride of Christ, Israeli Christians are 'friends of the bride' and the Bride of the Lamb is the new Jerusalem....coming down out of the heaven.

Your pastor's teaching on this is not universal (actually, I think it is pretty rare) among dispensationsalists. I sat under an old school Dallas (DTS) trained pastor for over 20 years and was always taught the church was the bride of Christ. Here is what the Bible Knowledge Commentary says on Rev 22:17
The Holy Spirit joined with the bride, the church, in extending an invitation to all who heed.
I think the BKC is a good standard of mainstream dispensationalism.

Greg

[God's Trombone]

So it is like Christ is the head of the Church which is the also head of His body which is the church. It may be one of those questions that won't be totally known until Christ returns. It is just that I am hoping to be on this earth during the thousand year period...or at least after the thousand year millennium period.

This is what I know for sure...
The Church is the body of Christ...and we will meet Him in the clouds and forever be with Him. So if we are with Him forever...we wouldn't be in heaven above during the millennium reign when He is reigning on earth would we?

Yours is yet Another question which draws different answers from Bible students and teachers. As Paul says-
We will be with the Lord forever. We will either occupy heavenly realms during the millennium, or actually rule with Christ in both the heavenly and earthly realms. That would have us in glorified, resurrected bodies among the still living on earth during the millennium.

[Faline]

I've been reading through these voluminous threads, and I think it's a bit of overthink. Long and the short of it is: We are all saved through the blood of Jesus and by repentence, Jew and Gentile alike...whether that is the message to the Jews or the Gentiles, it's the same message. The apostles accepted Paul's ministry, they did not denounce him, so they were in agreement with him, and he with them. Jesus DID talk about the dispensation of grace when he, for instance, told the young man who'd kept the commandments "from his youth" to sell all that he had and follow Christ. Obviously, following the law was not enough in Jesus' gospel and it was not enough in Paul's. I think they all agree...completely. There is no divider between what Paul and Peter taught that I can see. It's just that one taught Jews in ways they could understand it, and one presented it to gentiles who'd never heard it.

[gregbed]

True enough ... but the Kingdom of God is not necessarily equal to the Kingdom of Heaven.

It is bigger.

But what ever.

Believe what you wish. :thumb

I am curious as to how you understand this. Let us assume your premise - There is a semantic difference between the kingdom of heaven (KOH) and the kingdom of God (KOG). That is they refer to two distinct things.

Then which was it that Jesus offered at the beginning of His ministry, the KOH or the KOG?

Which did Jesus promise to the poor in spirit in the Sermon on the Mount, the KOH or the KOG?

Will the many that come from the east and the west and recline with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob do so in the KOH or the KOG?

Is the parable of the mustard seed and leaven about the KOH or the KOG?

Is it the KOH or the KOG that belongs to those who are as little children?

Greg

[Mechaberean]

God does not equal Heaven I agree.

[Mechaberean]

Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within you.

[Mechaberean]

Then which was it that Jesus offered at the beginning of His ministry, the KOH or the KOG?

Which did Jesus promise to the poor in spirit in the Sermon on the Mount, the KOH or the KOG?

Will the many that come from the east and the west and recline with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob do so in the KOH or the KOG?

Is the parable of the mustard seed and leaven about the KOH or the KOG?

Is it the KOH or the KOG that belongs to those who are as little children?------
The KOH is mentioned first and as the bible says it was only to Israel Matthew 10:5.Poor in spirit hath not much in the KOG cause because KOG is God in you like Jesus said.Again KOH is a physical kingdom its not within you. KOH is physical and it applies where Jesus applies it without question for me.

[Mechaberean]

according to Gods word there are differences blessed are the poor in SPIRIT for such is the Kingdom of Heaven, Blessed are the poor(no spirit) such is the Kingdom of God(a difference). Kingdom of Heaven the birds lodge in the branches,kingdom of God they are overshadowed by it.