Pauline Dispensationalism

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Paul's message was for Israel as well. The two were brought together as one in this age. You will need to conclusively and convincingly prove your points with scripture....i.e. that Peter, John etc.. were of a different church with a different message, even a different 'church' then Samuel and David. for example.

Acts 13:46 "Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold , and said , "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you(jews);but seeing you put it from you , and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life , lo , we turn to the Gentiles ".The Jews as a Nation were put on hold(Prophesy program),so that thru Paul(exclusively)the plan of salvation would trassition to Jew and Gentile alike(individually)thru the dispensation of the Grace of God(Mystery program).You have to pay close attention in Romans,I&II Cor.,etc. to see this change so that you don't confuse/combine the two churches/Kingdoms.They are NOT the same. :heythere

[Sing4Him]

Paul's message was for Israel as well. The two were brought together as one in this age. You will need to conclusively and convincingly prove your points with scripture....i.e. that Peter, John etc.. were of a different church with a different message, even a different 'church' then Samuel and David. for example.:thumb:thumb

[BlessedinHim]

As long as the Jewish church was in play circumcision was the way to acces it, read Acts16.

circumcision was not Peters message.

[HeIsEnough]

Acts 13:46 "Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold , and said , "It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you(jews);but seeing you put it from you , and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life , lo , we turn to the Gentiles ".

To the Jew first, then to the Gentile.

You're neglecting to make note that the message being the same.

The Jews as a Nation were put on hold(Prophesy program),so that thru Paul(exclusively)

You neglect to note that it was the Lord Himself who said the gospel would be and was given to the Gentiles firstly by Peter himself. (Acts 15)

You see, when you say "exclusively", my ears perk up. I do note the detail, and when I see it is 'not exactly' so, I respond.

the plan of salvation would trassition to Jew and Gentile alike(individually)thru the dispensation of the Grace of God(Mystery program).You have to pay close attention in Romans,I&II Cor.,etc. to see this change so that you don't confuse/combine the two churches/Kingdoms.They are NOT the same. :heythere

I pay very close attention friend. You should read this whole thread to see that all these subjects have been discussed, with varying 'indepthness'.

[Mechaberean]

No its not the same message the early church was never sealed by the Holy Spirit an English word that any cancer patient knows as remission means it was gone but could come back. The first mention of sealed is in 2Corinthians when God says to come out of organizations(an unbelieving nation) and be an individual, and the Jewish church is fully put on hold until the great Tribulation as seen in 2Corinthians5:16 Wherefore henceforth
(this time forward) know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. The physical church is on hold, and its Spiritual People of God according to the flesh have to join us now blindness in part has happened to Isarel until(another time) the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

[Mechaberean]

Paul had one circumsiced way into Acts 16 so if Peter and Paul preached alike Peter would also believe it to access jewish church.

[Mechaberean]

Genesis 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.(DOESN"T END)
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

[Mechaberean]

The Jewish message which we don't practice today, Mark10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! Peter and the early Jewish church practised this message Acts2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart. Why even Peter had to say Acts3:
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. We practice NONE of these things today if you are a healer my grandma died please come raise her.

[HeIsEnough]

Paul had one circumsiced way into Acts 16 so if Peter and Paul preached alike Peter would also believe it to access jewish church.

Timothy was circumcised only to avoid reproach by certain Jews, who were bent on being reproached, or at least they were the mostest vocal and strident, back in the day.

"To the Jew, I became as a Jew"

Quite an interesting statement, coming from a "Hebrew of Hebrews"

[HeIsEnough]

No its not the same message....


1 Corinthians 15
The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

9For I am the least [B]of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.

Doesn't get any clearer....whether the Apostles in Jerusalem, or Paul, it was the same message, the message of the cross, the good news, the gospel.