Pauline Dispensationalism

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http://withchrist.org/MJS/paulinedis.htm

The Lord Jesus Christ loves His Church, for whom He gave Himself on the Cross. He did so that He might cleanse and sanctify her with the washing of water by the (rightly divided) Word of truth. He would present her to Himself a glorious Church, not having Charismatic spot, nor Covenant wrinkle, nor any such thing, but that she should be holy and without earthly Jewish blemish (Eph. 5:25–27).

The glorified Lord delivered His sanctifying and glorifying message exclusively to His Bride through Paul—a life-giving Word infinitely higher than His earthly message to the nation of Israel. The Pauline Gospel, governed by Pauline Dispensationalism, belongs to the Church.

Most dispensationalists and all Covenant theologians fail to realize that there are two Gospels, each dependent upon the Blood of the Cross. The one Gospel is earthly (Kingdom), the other is heavenly (Grace). Both Gospels are “according to Jesus,” and present only one way: by faith.

One Gospel was ministered by Christ on earth, during His pre-Cross humiliation, and was exclusively addressed to Israel regarding her Millennial Kingdom. The other—altogether “new creation” other—was ministered to Paul by the glorified Lord Jesus Christ; after Calvary, from heaven, exclusively to and for His chosen heavenly Body.

John the Baptist’s, Jesus’, and the Apostles’ Gospel concerned the Messiah and His Kingdom-specifically and repeatedly referred to as “the Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23; 9:35; 24:14; Mark 1:14; Luke 9:2, 6). The other, “the Gospel of the Grace of God, “was neither preached nor mentioned until Paul went forth to declare it (Acts 20:24; Rom. 3:21–28; Eph. 3:1–3).



this link was sent to me, and it is very eye opening, rightly dividing the word and putting the gospel in the right perspective. Let us feast on the Word of God and put aside the theology of man. Our Salvation is all about God and His glory.

Amen,Brother...AAAAmennn ! :thumb

[Hootmon]

Have you guys ever heard of Les Feldi ck? Les has a pretty good grasp of how things work, and he explains things well.

[BlessedinHim]

Les has a pretty good grasp of how things work, and he explains things well.

Yes, he does, and that is why I brought up his name. He rightly divides the word. I heard him first, and then this was presented to me by someone else, I started reading it, and I think, wow, this is just what Les F. was saying. I sure cant deny it lines up. It makes perfect sense. Scripture is more open and understandable.

[graceforme]

which dispensationalism? The one began by Paul in the bible, or the one that began in the 1800's?

The one that Christ gave through the Apostle Paul, of course.

As far as witnessing, I'd say witness to both the same way. When the "Jew" believes in Jesus Christ as Savior, he's no longer a Jew. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile once they are believers. You would have to present the same gospel of salvation through grace by faith to each one.

[graceforme]

blessedinhim said,
"Most dispensationalists and all Covenant theologians fail to realize that there are two Gospels, each dependent upon the Blood of the Cross. The one Gospel is earthly (Kingdom), the other is heavenly (Grace). Both Gospels are “according to Jesus,” and present only one way: by faith."

(I tried the "quote" feature and it just wouldn't work. So I quoted the old-fashioned way)

I personally don't know of any dispensationalists who fail to realize that there are two gospels. On the other hand, every New Covenant believer that I know fails to realize it.

I was first introduced to the message of the finished work of Christ on the Cross by a New Covenant believer. I studied much, argued with him a lot, and finally came to an understanding of what "grace" really meant. I was introduced to a pastor who teaches right division by "accident", and studied with him and his church for several years before things became clear to me. And believe me, I'm still learning. It should never end - God's Word becomes new every time I open the Bible and study. That is why I recommend the booklet "Are There Contradictions in the Bible?" for anyone who has questions. I always thought that, yes, there WERE contradictions in the Bible, and I questioned so many passages that just didn't make any sense to me, but that was only because I didn't know how to rightly divide the Word. Right division is the only way we can know for sure what God expects of us today - in this dispensation of grace.

I have really enjoyed reading all the posts. It thrills my heart to see others come to an understanding of how to interpret Scripture. And I'm learning more and more as I read the posts.

[BlessedinHim]

Forgive me if I've missed the obvious (I haven't had my coffee yet) but lets say I have two friends, one a Jew one a Gentile. I'm going to witness to my two friends, according to Pauline Dispensationalism do I witness to the Jew with one Gospel and the Gentile with another? If they both accept Christ will one receive kingdom promises and the other grace promises? Or is the dispensation of the kingdom gospel past and the gospel of grace for everyone?

I would point you to the book of Galatians. He was to the jews first before they crucified Him. They rejected Him, crucified Him. Now the age of Grace is in place, we all get saved the same way for this day. After the rapture, it will be different again because the focus will then be on Israel again and as far as they are concerned they havent seen their messiah and they dont know that Jesus is in fact their messiah.

I think they receive the same message of Grace as we do today, we are in the dispensation of Grace now. If they believe without seeing....

the Jews who are left behind to be deceived by the AC until the abomination of desolation, then they will see Jesus and then believe the one whom they pierced,(paraphrasing) during the tribulation.

I am sure it is more desirable to become part of the church now, and be raptured than to be left here and have to face the wrath that is to come.

That is my jumbled thoughts based on what I believe the scriptures to say.

[HeIsEnough]

When the "Jew" believes in Jesus Christ as Savior, he's no longer a Jew.

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There is no difference between Jew and Gentile once they are believers.

I suppose this is where logical conclusions break down for me with certain aspects of the Pauline view. These two statements are not equivalent. That there is no difference is true, the man would still be a Jew.

[BlessedinHim]

The one that Christ gave through the Apostle Paul, of course.

As far as witnessing, I'd say witness to both the same way. When the "Jew" believes in Jesus Christ as Savior, he's no longer a Jew. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile once they are believers. You would have to present the same gospel of salvation through grace by faith to each one.

I kinda figured that out when I saw the other post you posted above. :)

I am trying not to get confusing, and def want to keep things straight in the thread. I really wanted to share my lightbulb moment. And I am enjoying doing so. I also think that people get mixed up with dispensationalism being that there are 2. One being Pauline starting in scripture, and one "modern" which started in the 1800's. And the 2 are not alike.

There is so much to learn and so little time.

You said it well on the witnessing question. Better than I did.:thumb

[tekton]

graceforme and blessedinhim, I agree with the answers you give about witnessing, thats what I see also in scripture. I guess I didn't word my question well enough (pre coffe :hehee). What I was trying to ask is does Pauline Dispensationalism teach something else. Now that I'm somewhat coherent I'll go back and reread the post's on it.

[BlessedinHim]

Paul had no connection whatever with the Apostles before him, whether in his conversion or in the revelation of the heavenly Gospel to him. "I went up [to Jerusalem] by revelation, and communicated unto them that Gospel which I preach among the Gentiles" (Gal. 2:2). The Lord Jesus, according to His [Kingdom] Gospel, said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24).

"But of these who seemed to be somewhat (whatever they were, it maketh no matter to me; God accepteth no man's person)--for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me. But, on the contrary, when they saw that the Gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the Gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter ...they gave to me ...the right hands of fellowship" (Gal. 2:6,7,9).

The heart of the Pauline Gospel is that the old Adam life is condemned in death (not forgiven), and another Adam--even the glorified Lord Jesus--is given to us as our Christian life, by the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Father identified us with Christ on the Cross, making us positionally dead unto sin, and alive unto God in Christ. "I have been crucified with Christ; nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me" (Gal. 2:20).

"But God forbid that I should glory, except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation." "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation" (Gal. 6:14,15; 2 Cor. 5:17).

"All is to us a new creation. It is not a new creature. A butterfly is a new creature; it is not a new creation. But the new man is not the old man changed or renovated [reformed] ; he is a new creation of the Father (2 Cor. 5:17)."