Pauline Dispensationalism

[DJHere]

the Galations verse I posted says unto galations meaning I believe Ephesians And your belief would be wrong as The Bible Knowledge Commentary shows when it notes:
The Epistle of Galatians was addressed "to the churches in Galatia" (1:2). Where was "Galatia," and who were the "Galatians"? (cf. 3:1). This question is complicated by the fact that Galatia had two meanings when this epsitle was written. First, it referred to the area in Asia Minor where the Gauls had settled after migrating from western Europe through Italy and Greece. The territory was limited to the north central and east central areas of Asia Minor and its principle cities were Ancyra, Pessinus, and Tavium. But in 25 B.C. this kingdom was converted to a Roman province, and territory was added to the south, including the cities of Antioch, Iconium, Lystra and Derbe.

A look at the maps linked below show these cities were no where near Ephesus:
http://www.bible-history.com/maps/maps/map_pauls_first_missionary_journey.html

http://www.bible-history.com/maps/asia_minor.html

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/biblemaps/13

In an article on the book of Ephesians it is noted:

In the Book of Acts, the history of church at Ephesus begins with the ministry of Paul on his second missionary journey, as recorded in Acts 18:18-28. Paul, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila, arrived in Ephesus. Paul went to the synagogue in Ephesus and proclaimed Christ, and was asked to stay on and teach further. Paul declined, promising to return later in the will of the Lord, leaving behind Priscilla and Aquila. During Paul’s absence, Apollos arrived, and began to preach those things which pertained to Jesus, based on the Old Testament and on the preaching of John the Baptist. Apollos seems to have been an Old Testament saint, but does not seem to have known about or trusted in Jesus Christ personally. Priscilla and Aquila took Apollos aside and filled him in on that which was lacking in his preaching. In time, he was sent to Achaia, where he powerfully and publicly refuted the Jews, showing that Jesus was indeed the promised Messiah.

After strengthening the believers in “the Galatian region and Phrygia” (18:23), Paul returned to Ephesus, where he spends nearly three years, preaching and teaching. For three months, Paul taught in the synagogue, but then opposition caused him to change his meeting place to the school or Tyrannus, where he reasoned daily for two years (Acts 19:8-10). During this time, God gave supernatural witness to the ministry of Paul by empowering him to perform many miracles (19:11-12). As a result of the chastening of the seven sons of Sceva, many in Ephesus renounced their magical practices, which was demonstrated when they publicly burned their magical books, worth a considerable amount of money. This, in turn, had a great impact on the city (Acts 19:13-20).
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=483

Just one more thing that shows the Galatians and Ephesians were not one and the same people as you proposed.

[DJHere]

In post 574 I noted Mechaberean has stated this:

no where does it say this, teh scripture misquoted to prove that point actually says UNTo you Ephesians there should be one gospel preached UNTO YOU.

I replied:

Where does Ephesians say that?

He answered:

I showed you in Galations which is for all gentiles read the post
In other words it was not written in the book of Ephesians as you claimed.

In post 574 it was also asked:

What does Gal. 1 say:

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

It was noted that Gal. 3 records:

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." 7Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." 9So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

It was asked:

What did Peter note at the Jerusalem council:

7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are." (Acts 15)

Grace that comes how? Through faith! (Eph. 2:8-9)

Grace that is accessed how? Through that same faith (Romans 5:1-2a).

What did Peter write:

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 12It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

The gospel message Peter preached was the same gospel message Paul preached and that is exactly what the scriptures state and teach.

[DJHere]

its sounds like you argue against God's word He said it not me here John17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
How am I arguing against Gods' word? It is noted several times by Jesus that Judas would betray Him. Jesus Himself stated Judas was unclean:

3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?"

7Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."

8"No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet."
Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."

9"Then, Lord," Simon Peter replied, "not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!"

10Jesus answered, "A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you." 11For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean. (John 13)

Why was Judas unclean? Because he had never put his belief/faith in Jesus that is why he was a son of perdition. Jesus said:

39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. (John 6)

So why does John 17 record:

9I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one. 12While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Because when Jesus prayed this prayer Judas had already left their company indwelled by Satan (see John 13:26-27). Judas was not one of those God had given Jesus because Jesus said he was unclean meaning he was not a believer. John 17 clearly teaches he was chosen to be a disciple so that the scriptures would be fulfilled.

[God's Trombone]

17As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were---------meaning he believed in what God told him, like teh bible says.

You are right on Mechaberean. It is WHAT
was believed in each case, and that of course includes the believers in Acts 2,3, when they believed WHAT was preached to them.

When God INTERRUPTED His prophetic program for Israel, those living in the time near the INTERRUPTION had their standing in WHAT they believed; whether the doctrine of the circumcision or that of the uncircumcision.

We must continue in the work Paul held so important, that is forthrightly condemning any overtures that tend to mix aspects of God's plans for Israel and those for the church, the Body of Christ.


I appreciate your defense of the Word of truth, rightly divided.

[God's Trombone]

DJHere,

Your use of the verses John 6:39, 40 was felicitous
to me. I note that in them:

[QUOTE]39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.[QUOTE]

Jesus says twice, that those among Israel who believed on HIM , He would raise up ON THE LAST DAY.

Since the scripture has the Gentile church,the Body of Christ raised up (raptured) prior to the "last day", we are separate from those Jesus was addressing. And this serves to emphasize the truth I am expressing, i.e., there was an INTERRUPTION in the Gospel Jesus preached to Israel in John and in all the prophetic scripture. It is only in the "non-prophetic and unsearchable" MYSTERY scriptures written by Paul
that we will find our Gospel.

[Topped 3]

Im with God,s trombone and Mechabearean. You are using a bible that is changing the interpretation of the text,DJH.The danger in using just any old bible is you can pick and choose bibles that ONLY support your pet theologies.Those scribes and scholars that have perverted the literal meaning of the Bible into an allegorical one,are the ones cursed ,as they pass on their deceptions to the unsuspecting and ignorant readers.

[Topped 3]

Im with God,s trombone and Mechabearean. You are using a bible that is changing the interpretation of the text,DJH.The danger in using just any old bible is you can pick and choose bibles that ONLY support your pet theologies.Those scribes and scholars that have perverted the literal meaning of the Bible into an allegorical one,are the ones cursed ,as they pass on their deceptions to the unsuspecting and ignorant readers.

The reasons for there being more and more church sects and theologies these days is that every person who had a problem with GOD'S WORD decided that it didn't suit them and their constituents,so it NEEDED to be corrected,cuZ it had to be originally mistranslated(Uh-huh). Of course we don't agree,your new age watered down bibles teach another Jesus(one lacking scriptural deiety and equality with God,THAT'S your another Gospel,NOT our interpretation of OUR bible(Authorized for authority KJV).

[Mechaberean]

djhere you crack me up I say something is written to the Galations and it pertains to Gentiles you say no way. But everything can pull back to the cross and those in Jerusalem right after the cross. LOL

[Mechaberean]

You have a big problem of half quoting my posts and saying what i have already said many times in teh same post. You are a hypocrite by saying i leave stuff out like verses . LOL

[God's Trombone]

In going back over the thread I noticed something
I didn't before:

BIH posted and Topped 3 quoted it:

:
Originally Posted by blessedinhim
http://withchrist.org/MJS/paulinedis.htm

The Lord Jesus Christ loves His Church, for whom He gave Himself on the Cross. He did so that He might cleanse and sanctify her with the washing of water by the (rightly divided) Word of truth. He would present her to Himself a glorious Church, not having Charismatic spot, nor Covenant wrinkle, nor any such thing, but that she should be holy and without earthly Jewish blemish (Eph. 5:25–27).

The glorified Lord delivered His sanctifying and glorifying message exclusively to His Bride through Paul—a life-giving Word infinitely higher than His earthly message to the nation of Israel. The Pauline Gospel, governed by Pauline Dispensationalism, belongs to the Church.

Most dispensationalists and all Covenant theologians fail to realize that there are two Gospels, each dependent upon the Blood of the Cross. The one Gospel is earthly (Kingdom), the other is heavenly (Grace). Both Gospels are “according to Jesus,” and present only one way: by faith.

One Gospel was ministered by Christ on earth, during His pre-Cross humiliation, and was exclusively addressed to Israel regarding her Millennial Kingdom. The other—altogether “new creation” other—was ministered to Paul by the glorified Lord Jesus Christ; after Calvary, from heaven, exclusively to and for His chosen heavenly Body.

John the Baptist’s, Jesus’, and the Apostles’ Gospel concerned the Messiah and His Kingdom-specifically and repeatedly referred to as “the Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23; 9:35; 24:14; Mark 1:14; Luke 9:2, 6). The other, “the Gospel of the Grace of God, “was neither preached nor mentioned until Paul went forth to declare it (Acts 20:24; Rom. 3:21–28; Eph. 3:1–3).



this link was sent to me, and it is very eye opening, rightly dividing the word and putting the gospel in the right perspective. Let us feast on the Word of God and put aside the theology of man. Our Salvation is all about God and His glory.

Topped 3 responded:

Amen,Brother...AAAAmennn !
This was posted by topped 3 in post #41

I ask Blessed In Him this: How did you so quickly afterward get removed from the truths in your post?

That post was in complete agreement so far as I can tell with our contention that Peter and Paul had Gospels with different content.

Somewhere subsequent to your post you began to oppose the truth by saying someting like "there were not two Gospels because it would be too confusing."

Care to comment BIH?