Pauline Dispensationalism

[Mechaberean]

So as you SEE its not the same faith at all. They saw and heard; saw= no faith requied faith is in unseen things, saw Jesus physically. They needed faith in who He was that had come, some said He is just a carpenters son, rejected who he was to be. Like I showed earlier on in 2Corinthians Paul even knew Jesus after the flesh but from henceforth he knew him physically no more. There is a focus on a physical church walking by sight and faith, and walking by faith alone church.

[Mechaberean]

Acts2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.---------If they repent and are baptised THEN they receive the Holy Ghost no other explanation unless you want God judged for careless words.

[Beth O]

I agree with what you're saying. But for those who read your post I must clarify one point. The woman cannot have seed. In Genesis it is speaking about the descendants of Eve. The mother of Jesus could not have seed. She was overshadowed by the Holy Ghost thus the seed was from the Father. This is why Jesus could be called "Emmanuel" "God with us".

Thanks for the correction although, this is what the scripture says.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Yes, I agree that Genesis is speaking about the descendants of Eve. Jesus is fully God and fully human. The seed of the Holy Spirit and the seed of Eve. Surely you believe that God used Eve's ovary? What is unique about this birth is that there was no human father's seed.

[BlessedinHim]

if the people who were saved by belief in Jesus died before they were baptized, they still would have been saved. Baptism is their first act of obedience. "If you love Me you will obey Me." Baptism is an act of obedience and symbolic of the death and resurrection of our Lord.

[Mechaberean]

Its says to get the Spirit for them in the time that they could see Jesus they had to be water baptised Acts2:38 after repentance and water baptism then receive the gift of teh Holy Spirit. John said his baptism manifested Christ to Israel John went before Jesus and made His path straight and thats how he did it water baptism and repentance.

[BlessedinHim]

John said his baptism manifested Christ to Israel John went before Jesus and made His path straight and thats how he did it water baptism and repentance.


um, are you saying Jesus repented here?

[BlessedinHim]

In practice, regarding all those who had received the Holy Spirit, were they baptized first and then received the HS?

[Mechaberean]

I believe all had received John's baptism before the Spirit, except Those outside the synagogue later on in Acts when God turns to the Gentiles also.

[Mechaberean]

John1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. Or else they knew Him not= manifest.

[BlessedinHim]

Yes, the spirit was not imparted until after the ascension. Those afterwards tho, they had received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water. At least some of them did. That is my point. Water baptism is not pre-requisite to receiving the Holy Spirit.