Pauline Dispensationalism

[BlessedinHim]

Thanks....Im praying for you and yours.....:)

Thank you so much.

[Mechaberean]

Galations the first Gentile book says that "UNTO YOU" Galations, there should be one gospel preached. And yes the only other gospel in it is circumsion, and Paul uses for an example Peter needed to be withstood to the face he practised dissimulation; treated the Gentiles as less than Jews for not being circumcised and keeping the law. Peter was rebuked ,and Paul later says if you are circumcised it will profit you nothing. Ordinances like circumcsion are everlasting for them as I have quoted the scripture more than once. but all ordinances are nailed to the cross for those under grace.

[Topped 3]

Hi LaMontre, glad to see you back.

I am just about to the point of just shaking my head........

Topped3, I dont see how all this is about bible versions. I use the KJV because it is easier for me, but I also check out other versions, and there really isnt a difference in meaning. There may be some differences in words used through translation, but you can always go back and check out the Strongs.

biblegateway (http://www.biblegateway.com/)
http://blueletterbible.org/
Strongs site (http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html)

I use these resources a lot to help me study. I dont use too much commentary, some commentary gets to be extra biblical adding things to it that just arent there. Sometimes I do a word search and read all the verses that contains the word to get the full meaning of what is being talked about. Very interesting results at times. When the Holy Spirit opens the word, there is nothing like it.
No difference in meaning ?This thread U started is about Pauline Dispensationalism(meaning the economy and/or stewardship of a (singular) Household;not households.As long as the Jews attain the dispensing provision of the Gentile household,(get saved by Pauls Gospel)then they are partakers.If your dabbling in the economics of a different household(that is currently suspended,indefinately)then why should God support that assumption and program,if it is attempting to claim and usurp those promises.The KJV is one of few versions that supports dispensaionalism.Where it reads grace THROUGH faith,OF faith it means that is for this dispensatioIf it says BY faith or faith IN,it is by works and obedience(that dispensation is currently on hold till after the Rapture of the CHURCH).Check out http://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html :wave

[LaMontre]

Galations the first Gentile book says that "UNTO YOU" Galations, there should be one gospel preached. And yes the only other gospel in it is circumsion, and Paul uses for an example Peter needed to be withstood to the face he practised dissimulation; treated the Gentiles as less than Jews for not being circumcised and keeping the law. Peter was rebuked ,and Paul later says if you are circumcised it will profit you nothing. Ordinances like circumcsion are everlasting for them as I have quoted the scripture more than once. but all ordinances are nailed to the cross for those under grace.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

None will escape the curse of the law apart from Jesus Christ; ethnicity or circumcision not withstanding.

[Topped 3]

This is why I didn't really want to get involved in this discussion. We can go back and forth, attempting to prove one another wrong in some way, as the hundreds of posts prove, and yet nothing constructive is coming from it. I am leaving this thread. Many blessings to all who have posted here.

Just FYI in case anyone wants reliable commentaries to help support our Pauline position,these Authors/Pastors/Dispensatonalists are all Pauline and KJ bible commentators :Richard Jordan:Keith R. Blades : Peter S. Ruckman ( www.av1611.org ) Samuel Gipp : David Walker: C.R. Stam : David Reese and Doug Stauffer ( www.rightlydivided.com ) :thumb

[LaMontre]

Just FYI in case anyone wants reliable commentaries to help support our Pauline position,these Authors/Pastors/Dispensatonalists are all Pauline and KJ bible commentators :Richard Jordan:Keith R. Blades : Peter S. Ruckman ( www.av1611.org ) Samuel Gipp : David Walker: C.R. Stam : David Reese and Doug Stauffer ( www.rightlydivided.com ) :thumb

""...Because the Bible is a supernatural book, it addresses individual passages to any one of three distinct groups—Jews, Gentiles, or Christians (I Corinthians 10:32). Applying the hermeneutical discipline of 'right division' is the only way to ensure that a message intended for one group is not accidentally intercepted and incorrectly applied by another.""

Interesting....and who decides? Who is the "authority" that we turn to in order to rightly judge where these supposedly "right divisions" of the scriptures are to be found?

""...The content of this book will undoubtedly create shock waves within certain 'camps' of fundamentalism, as the 'King James Only' position originally did. For many sincere pastors and church members who have been hungering to learn God’s Word, One Book Rightly Divided will truly become The Key to Understanding the Bible. No longer will the twisted interpretations of the deceptive cultists retain their power to exasperate dedicated soul winners...""

What deceptive cultist is exasperating the dispensational soul winners?

Surely they aren't suggesting that anyone who disagrees with their particular brand is considered a deceptive cultist?? :shocked

[BlessedinHim]

No difference in meaning ?This thread U started is about Pauline Dispensationalism(meaning the economy and/or stewardship of a (singular) Household;not households.As long as the Jews attain the dispensing provision of the Gentile household,(get saved by Pauls Gospel)then they are partakers.If your dabbling in the economics of a different household(that is currently suspended,indefinately)then why should God support that assumption and program,if it is attempting to claim and usurp those promises.The KJV is one of few versions that supports dispensaionalism.Where it reads grace THROUGH faith,OF faith it means that is for this dispensatioIf it says BY faith or faith IN,it is by works and obedience(that dispensation is currently on hold till after the Rapture of the CHURCH).Check out http://www.av1611.org/biblecom.html :wave

Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Romans 11:20
Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.


Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 12:3
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.


2 Corinthians 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

2 Corinthians 5:7
We live by faith, not by sight.


2 Corinthians 8:7
Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also

2 Corinthians 8:7
But just as you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in complete earnestness and in your love for us —see that you also excel in this grace of giving.


1 Corinthians 16:13
Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.

1 Corinthians 16:13
Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong.


Acts 14:27
And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Acts 14:27
On arriving there, they gathered the church together and reported all that God had done through them and how he had opened the door of faith to the Gentiles.


Acts 15:9
And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Acts 15:9
He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

I dont think what you said holds water. There is 2 different versions here verse to verse comparison. All in New testament, and believe I kept them to Pauline scriptures except the book of Acts, I suppose according to some.

Of, In, By, Since this was done randomly, I didnt run across the through faith one. Sorry, but I dont get your point still in the use of bible versions, or how one version supports Pauline and the others dont.

I settled the different versions of the bible debate long ago for myself. Where there seems to be a difference, go to the strongs, and check it out. I like to cross reference different versions and go to the strongs and it really opens it up with the help of the Holy Spirit.

[LaMontre]

I actually think that any belief system (like dispensationalism) that places it's foundation in new testament scripture, is by defiition "Pauline". I am not sure how any can claim "Pauline" as an exclusive title. After all, he wrote most of the new testament scripture that makes up our bible. Seems to me a kind of vain attempt to make the system sound more authoritative.

Well, I have been to the puppet show and seen the strings, so I'm not impressed either way. :heh

[Mechaberean]

its true for the Hebrew Christians before us if they didn't walk away theu had eternal life.; very true Hebrews6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[Mechaberean]

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ---------Ah first Gentile book