Pauline Dispensationalism

[Mechaberean]

Abram believed God he would have a child in his old age and it was credited to him as righteousness the bible says.

[LaMontre]

I believe its not the same faith, faith is Hebrews11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. This is faith, but the same faith no, nobody knew God would die on a cross I have posted before that it is even hid in first person quotes by David in his prophesying, and the Ethiopian Eunuch fresh from the temple wondered if the prophet was talking of Himself or not. Also Hebrews 11 mentions nothing of belieiving in the cross work for salavtion. No I believe Abraham believed God in what God told him; they knew God was real by His miraculous presence all through their history and His representatives the prophets,priests,and kings. Why they didn't even go to teh same destination Abraham's Bosom or Hell, we to heaven or Hell. The bible precisely says they had but foreshadows and hope in foreshadows IS NOT the same as teh real thing.

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new covenant, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

The object of Abrahams faith was the same as ours, even if he didn't know it:
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

It is indeed the same faith.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

They were preached the same gospel, just with different terminologies:
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

It's really allot simpler if we understand that God elected OT saints in the same way he does NT saints, and that they were saved by grace through faith just as we are today. There is only one means of salvation, not two.

[Mechaberean]

So then they which be of faith. Faith is merely in things hoped for and unseen there are many different things they had faith in. And faith Jesus would come doent save anyone He had to die there was no other way His work had to be done and then we could place our faith in it. Faith without works is dead.

[Mechaberean]

They had foreshadows didn't have faith in the completed work on teh cross foreshadows are a glimpse of things to come. These they had faith in, they all had faith like Abraham and we even have faith yep, but faith in what is teh question and answered in different forms.Hebrews11

[Mechaberean]

Hebrews11:1 Now faith is the substance of things(PLURAL) hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

[LaMontre]

So then they which be of faith. Faith is merely in things hoped for and unseen there are many different things they had faith in. And faith Jesus would come doent save anyone He had to die there was no other way His work had to be done and then we could place our faith in it. Faith without works is dead.

Not sure I follow you here. Abraham was given the gospel as being a future accomplishment. Jesus said Abraham saw His day, and I believe Him, but in the end, it matters not "how" the gospel was given, what matters is that the faith in believing it, and the end results, are all the same.

They had foreshadows didn't have faith in the completed work on teh cross foreshadows are a glimpse of things to come. These they had faith in, they all had faith like Abraham and we even have faith yep, but faith in what is teh question and answered in different forms.Hebrews11

To man perhaps, but not to God. God has been telling the same story all along by different methods and terminologies. And the faith placed in that message has always been the same. Thats the entire point of Hebrews 11, that is, to show that faith (not works) has ALWAYS been Gods requirement.

Hebrews11:1 Now faith is the substance of things(PLURAL) hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

There are many things hoped for through faith in the gospel. 11:1 is a definition of faith, not a description of the object of it. Surely, what Abraham hoped for was made reality by his faith in the gospel. Surely, his faith was an evidence of what was to come. Though it was not seen, it was as sure as if it were. Just like faith in Jesus Christ

[Mechaberean]

right but it wasn't the same faith that made him righteous good stuff as you have said

[Mechaberean]

he had faith in a son in his old age I agree with your last post

[Mechaberean]

the bible clearly says Abram believed he would have a child in his old age that was his gospel AND this was credited to him as riteousness.

[Mechaberean]

I'm sorry I am a literal bible believer maybe I should find a board that holds God's word literally and not change it ;say Abram believd in the coming messiah and thats not what it says. I fear God to much to change it.